How Does the Lindemann Constant Influence Melting Points in Solids?

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The discussion revolves around the influence of the Lindemann constant on the melting points of solids, particularly in the context of developing a simulator for predicting these melting points. Participants explore the complexities of the relevant formulas, including the role of various constants and parameters involved in the calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the formulas for predicting melting points, specifically asking about the Lindemann constant and its variability.
  • Another participant references historical context, noting that Lindemann's formula was derived empirically and lacks a theoretical explanation, as mentioned in "The Theory of the Properties of Metals and Alloys" (Mott and Jones, 1936).
  • A linked source suggests that the Lindemann constant is generally constant for a specific crystal structure but may vary between different structures.
  • Some experimental evidence indicates that the overall formula may not perform well across various substances, raising questions about the validity of the underlying assumptions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the Lindemann constant, particularly its variability and the reliability of the formulas used for predicting melting points. There is no consensus on the effectiveness of the Lindemann formula or its theoretical foundations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the assumptions behind the Lindemann formula and the challenges in applying it to different materials, which may affect the accuracy of predictions.

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I'm trying to make a simulator for melting points...

I've been on wikipedia, and the formula('s) they give for predicting melting point are very confusing, could someone explain them to me?

I plan to use the formula:
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Where θD is the Debye temperature and h is the Planck constant, a is the atomic spacing, kB is the Boltzmann constant, m is the atomic mass, and where 'c' is Lindermanns constant...

Now I believe I can get the values for every variable in the equation ok, EXCEPT 'c' lindermanns constant, is this a set value? Or does it vary? -If it does vary how can I find it out?

Please explain in as much detail as possible, (I'll need it!)

Thanks a lot :smile:
 
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Lindemann originally found a related formula empirically; "The Theory of the Properties of Metals and Alloys" (Mott and Jones, 1936) notes that "Lindemann's formula has not at present received a theoretical explanation." Wikipedia shows a derivation so clearly someone added a derivation later. The best description I can find is:

http://phycomp.technion.ac.il/~phsorkin/thesis/node4.html

This page says that the Lindemann constant is supposed to be constant for a particular crystal structure, but to vary between different structures. Experiments have, however, shown that the formula as a whole doesn't do all that well, and the linked web page further notes that the assumptions backing the derivation of this formula aren't as valid as one would like for many substances. This is, unfortunately, the best I can find. Good luck.
 

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