How does the moon's gravity affect the orbit of the ISS?

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The discussion centers on the influence of the Moon's gravity on the orbit of the International Space Station (ISS). Participants explore various aspects of this topic, including tidal effects, altitude changes, and the interplay of forces acting on the ISS in low-Earth orbit.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the tidal effects of the Moon's gravity on Earth and questions if similar effects apply to the ISS's orbit.
  • Another participant expects the Moon to exert a tidal effect on objects in orbit, drawing a parallel to the Sun's effect on the Moon's orbit.
  • A participant describes the tidal torque from Earth on non-spherical objects like the ISS and discusses how the ISS experiences varying gravitational pulls depending on its position relative to the Earth and Moon.
  • It is mentioned that aerodynamic drag causes the ISS to lose altitude, necessitating altitude maintenance maneuvers between approximately 320 km and 345 km.
  • One participant argues that third-body effects, such as those from the Moon, are minor compared to aerodynamic drag for the ISS due to its large cross-section.
  • A later reply discusses the concept of torque equilibrium attitude of the ISS, explaining how aerodynamic drag and gravitational gradient torque interact, and mentions the subtle effects of solid-body tides on low-Earth orbit satellites.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of Love numbers and suggests further research for more detailed understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of the Moon's gravitational effects on the ISS, with some emphasizing its minor role compared to aerodynamic drag, while others highlight the potential tidal influences. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent of the Moon's impact.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the effects discussed may depend on various assumptions and conditions, such as the orientation of the ISS and the specific dynamics of its orbit.

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I was recently listening to a favorite podcast of mine (AstronomyCast) and they went over the tidal effects the moon's gravity has on the Earth. I just happened to be thinking about the tidal effects after that and was wondering if the moon's gravity effects things in orbit of Earth. More specifically the ISS. When I tried to look this up the closest answer I found was that the ISS's orbit changes from about 320 km to 345 km, but it didn't say why this was. I can assume it probably has to do with a number of different things (eccentricity of the orbit or intentional altitude control) but I was wondering if anyone knew if the moon had any effect of this at all?

Thanks.
 
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I would very much expect the Moon to have some tidal effect on objects in Earth orbit, after all, the Sun exerts a tidal effect on the Moon's orbit which causes a variance in its eccentricity.
 
There are a couple of different effects here:
There is a tidal torque from the Earth on any non spherical object in orbit, so that would include the space station.
There would also be an effect where if the ISS was between the Earth and the moon it would receive a small pull toward the moon and away from the earth, when it on the other side of the Earth and the Earth and moon are alinged it will receive a very slightly larger pull toward the earth.
I don't know how big this effect is, the change in height you quoted of 25km would be 0.5% of the distance to centre of the Earth.
 
PeterHarrison84 said:
More specifically the ISS. When I tried to look this up the closest answer I found was that the ISS's orbit changes from about 320 km to 345 km, but it didn't say why this was.

Aerodynamic drag makes the ISS slowly lose altitude. When the ISS falls below its lower operation limit (about 320 km), it performs an altitude maintenance maneuver to raise the altitude to about 345 km. Rinse and repeat.

Third body effects are small compared to aero drag for a vehicle in low-Earth orbit. This is especially true in the case of the ISS, which has a huge cross section due to its big arrays.
 
D H said:
...it performs an altitude maintenance maneuver... Third body effects are small compared to aero drag for a vehicle in low-Earth orbit. This is especially true in the case of the ISS, which has a huge cross section due to its big arrays.
See now, if they oriented the arrays horizontal to the Earth's surface, and gave them an aerofoil-shaped camber...


Well, they could save all that orbit-maintaining fuel now couldn't they? :biggrin:
 
DaveC426913 said:
Well, they could save all that orbit-maintaining fuel now couldn't they? :biggrin:

In a sense, they do. The Station is in a "torque equilibrium attitude". The aerodynamic drag on the ISS does not act through the center of mass: It induces a torque as well as a force on the ISS. The gradient of the gravitational acceleration also induces a torque on the vehicle (this is yet another tide-like effect and varies with 1/R3 as do most tidal effects). The aero torque and gravity gradient torque will counterbalance when the vehicle is in just the right attitude. This torque equilibrium attitude is the ISS' nominal attitude.

There is one tidal effect that is smaller than 1/R^3. The moon and sun create the sea tides we all know about. The not-so-solid Earth also undergoes deformations, smaller in height than the sea tides, but much greater in mass. These solid-body tides subtly affect the orbits of low-earth orbit satellites. For more on this, google "k2 Love number".

Note: k2 is the most significant of several Love numbers. Googling "Love number" without the k2 results in TMI.
 
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