How does this system work? (Four pulleys and a rope lifting a mass)

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The discussion revolves around a system involving four pulleys and a rope used to lift a mass weighing 40 N. Participants are exploring the mechanics of tension within the system and how it relates to the forces at play.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to analyze the tension forces in the rope and questioning the assumptions about uniform tension throughout the system. There are discussions about the necessity of free body diagrams for better understanding.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with some participants providing insights into the mechanics of pulleys and tension. There is a recognition of the complexity of the system, and while some guidance has been offered, there is no explicit consensus on the correct interpretation of the forces involved.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the teacher's approach to summing tension forces, which has led to some confusion regarding the application of forces in the context of the pulleys. Participants are encouraged to clarify their assumptions and provide more context for their questions.

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Homework Statement
The masses of pulleys are negligible. What is the value of force F that keeps the block of weight 40 N in balance?
Relevant Equations
This system confuses me a lot. Our teacher just summed up all the tension forces of vertical strings, got 5F = 40, but can we really do that? If tension is the same everywhere, why isn't F = 40? Because all these strings aren't attached to the block itself I think. Could someone please explain how do systems like this actually work?
I used the regular way of solving problems with pulleys. I tried to find the tension forces, which must be the same in the rope, but I get it wrong
 
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Hello @zuzelle ,
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zuzelle said:
Homework Statement:: The masses of pulleys are negligible. What is the value of force F that keeps the block of weight 40 N in balance?
Relevant Equations:: This system ...

WHAT system ? Are we suposed to be telepathic ? Do you want us to guess ?

Please read and follow the PF guidelines

And show your work

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If tension is the same everywhere
So apparently it is not. Can you see why ?
[edit] hint: a free body diagram for the bottom pulley wheel ? For the top one ?

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Welcome @zuzelle !

The whole reason for using so many pulleys is to reduce the force needed to be applied at the end of the rope, which happens to be the value of the tension for any section of the going-around rope.

Just like it happens for a typical lever, that reduction of applied force is achieved by increasing the distance that the hand has to move respect to the distance the load moves upwards.

What you see in that diagram is basically a group of (rotating) levers simultaneously working.
 
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zuzelle said:
Our teacher just summed up all the tension forces of vertical strings, got 5F = 40,
Not exactly. Your teacher summed the five forces that the string wrapped around the pulleys exert on the lower pulley assembly. That excludes the string attached to the ceiling and the string attached to the weight.
Since it is all the same massless string, and can freely rotate the pulleys, the tension must be the same in each section.
 
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