How Does v^2 in the Wave Equation Represent Wave Speed?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the term v^2 in the wave equation, specifically how it relates to the speed of wave propagation on a string. Participants explore theoretical aspects, derivations, and implications of the wave equation in the context of tension and linear density.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the wave equation includes a factor v^2 = Tension/linear density, which has dimensions of speed but question how this relates to the actual speed of wave propagation.
  • Others argue that v^2 can be derived from calculating forces in the string based on its deflection, suggesting that there are textbooks that provide this derivation.
  • A participant presents two questions regarding the wave equation: one about its description of wave motion with speed "c" and another about demonstrating that a string under tension satisfies the wave equation with c = T/δ.
  • It is mentioned that the relationship c = T/δ is an approximation valid for small waves, with a caution that extreme tension could lead to stretching or breaking the string.
  • One participant describes the derivation of the wave equation from the forces acting on a small segment of the string, detailing the mathematical steps involved in arriving at the wave equation.
  • Another participant suggests that for any arbitrary function f(x), the function y(x, t) = f(x - vt) satisfies the wave equation, indicating that this solution represents a wave propagating at speed v.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints and interpretations regarding the relationship between v^2 and wave speed, with no consensus reached on the foundational aspects of the wave equation or its derivation.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on assumptions about small wave approximations and the potential for the string to behave differently under extreme conditions, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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The wave on the string could be described with wave equation.

Wave equation has a factor v^2 = Tension/linear density.

It has dimensions of speed, but from where exactly does it follow that this is actually speed of propagation of the wave?
 
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v^2 has dimensions of speed squared. You can calculate the forces in the string based on the deflection in the string, and get this formula as a result. I'm sure there are textbooks where this derivation is done.
 
That can be interpreted as either (or both) of two questions:
1) How do we know that
\dfrac{\partial^2 y}{\partial x^2}= \frac{1}{c^2}\dfrac{\partial^2y}{\partial t^2}
(the "wave equation) does describe wave motion with wave speed "c"?

2) How do we show that the movement of a string, under tension T and with linear density \delta satisfies the wave equation with c= T/\delta?

To answer the first one, suppose that f(x, t) satisfies the wave equation. Let g(x, t)= f(x- ct_0, t- t_0). Show that g(x, t) also satisfies the wave equation. Of course, g(x, t) is just f(x, t) with time shifted by t_0 and distance shifted by c t_0 so that the difference in distances is ct_0 for a change in time t_0 so that the speed is ct_0/t_0= c.

Before answering the second, I have to admit it isn't exactly true! It is an approximation but a very good approximation for small waves. If you were to pull on the string or wire really hard, you might well permanently stretch or even break it!

Imagine a small part of the string between (x_0, y(x_0)) and x_0+ \Delta x, y(x_0+\Delta x)). Let the angle the string makes at x_0 be \theta_{x_0}. With tension, T, the upward force at x_0 is T sin(\theta_{x_0}. Let the angle at x_0+ \Delta x be \theta_{x_0+ \Delta x}. The upward force at x_0+ \Delta x is T sin(\theta_{x_0+ \Delta x} so the net force is T(sin(\theta_{x_0+ \Delta x})- sin(\theta_{x_0})). For small angles sine is approximately tangent so we can approximate that by T(tan(\theta_{x_0+ \Delta x}- tan(\theta_{x_0})).

The tangent of the angle of a curve, at any point, is the derivative with respect to x so can write that as
T(\left[\partial y/\partial x\right]_{x_0+\Delta x}- \left[\partial y/\partial x\right]_{x_0}

If that section of string has length s and density \delta then it has mass \delta \Delta s. For small angles, we can approximate \Delta s by \Delta x. "Mass times acceleration" is
\delta \Delta x \dfrac{\partial y^2}{\partial t^2}
so that "force equals mass times acceration" becomes
T(\left[\partial y/\partial x\right]_{x_0+\Delta x}- \left[\partial y/\partial x\right]_{x_0})= \delta \Delta x \dfrac{\partial^2 y}{\partial t^2}

Dividing both sides by T \Delta x, that becomes
\dfrac{\left[\partial y/\partial x\right]_{x_0+\Delta x}- \left[\partial y/\partial x\right]_{x_0}}{\Delta x}= \dfrac{\delta}{T}\dfrac{\partial^2 y}{\partial t^2}

Now we can recognize that fraction on the left as a "difference quotient" which, in the limit as \Delta x goes to 0, becomes the derivative with respect to x. Since the function in the difference quotient is the first derivative of y with respect to x, the limit gives the second derivative:
\dfrac{\partial^2y}{\partial x^2}= \dfrac{\delta}{T}\dfrac{\partial^2 y}{\partial t^2}

the wave equation with 1/c^2= \delta/T so that c^2= T/\delta.
 
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amiras said:
The wave on the string could be described with wave equation.

Wave equation has a factor v^2 = Tension/linear density.

It has dimensions of speed, but from where exactly does it follow that this is actually speed of propagation of the wave?

Convince yourself that for an arbitrary function ##f(x)## the function ##y(x, t) = f(x - vt)## solves the wave equation. Then convince yourself that this solution describes a wave whose shape is given by ##f## and which propagates in the positive ##x## direction at a speed ##v##.
 

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