How Does Water Pressure Change with Depth?

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The discussion revolves around understanding how water pressure changes with depth, specifically in the context of a submerged bottle containing air and its buoyant force. The problem involves applying principles of fluid mechanics and gas laws to determine the volume of air in the bottle and the buoyant force as functions of depth.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss treating the air as an ideal gas and consider how pressure affects its volume. Questions are raised about the relationship between buoyant force and the volume of the object, referencing Archimedes' principle. There is also a focus on the mass distribution of the bottle's components.

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Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the problem, suggesting starting with the ideal gas law and considering the buoyant force in relation to volume. There appears to be a productive exchange of ideas, with some participants confirming the reasoning of others.

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Participants note the importance of the initial conditions, such as the pressure at the surface and the uniform temperature of the water. There is also mention of a picture that may aid in understanding the setup, though it is not provided in the discussion.

brad sue
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Hi,
I am lost with this problem.

A bottle containig air is closed with a watertight yet smoothly moving piston. The bottle with its air has a total mass of 0.30kg. At the surface of a body of water whose temperature is a uniform 285 K throughout, the volume of air contained in the bottle is 1.5L.
Recall that the pressure of water increases with depth below the surface, D, as p=po+ρ *g*D, where po is the surface pressure and ρ=1.0 kg/L.
The bottle is submerged.
a- What is the volume of the air in the bottle as a function of depth?
b- Calculate the buoyant force on the bottle as a function of depth?


There are other questions but I need to understand these ones first.
There a picture but if you need it , I will try to draw it.
thank you
 
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brad sue said:
a- What is the volume of the air in the bottle as a function of depth?
Treat the air as an ideal gas. Start by figuring out the volume of air as function of pressure.
b- Calculate the buoyant force on the bottle as a function of depth?
How does the buoyant force on an object depend on the object's volume? (What is Archimedes' principle?)
 
This starting situation is at the surface of Earth,
with Pressure = 1 atm = 101,000 N/m^2 .
You'll have to find out how much of this 0.3 kg is air,
and how much of it is glass (the glass does not compress).
 
lightgrav said:
You'll have to find out how much of this 0.3 kg is air,
and how much of it is glass
I wouldn't bother trying to do that: It will be easier to just treat the air in terms of its volume (which is given at the surface), and assume that the volume of the bottle itself can be neglected.
 
Doc Al said:
Treat the air as an ideal gas. Start by figuring out the volume of air as function of pressure.
How does the buoyant force on an object depend on the object's volume? (What is Archimedes' principle?)
OK, If I use :
PV=nRT and Po*Vo=nRT.
then I take the ratio PV/Po*Vo which is 1
I found:
V=Vo*Po/P
Am I right?
 
Looks good to me. :smile:
 

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