How Effective Is the Tan(x/2) Substitution for Solving ∫√(1-sin(x))dx?

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The discussion revolves around solving the integral ∫√(1-sin(x))dx using the tan(x/2) substitution. Participants are exploring various methods and reasoning related to this integral, which falls under the subject area of calculus.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to apply the tan(x/2) substitution but expresses uncertainty about the next steps after deriving expressions for sin(x) and dx. They also explore an alternative method involving multiplying by the conjugate but question the validity of their result.
  • Some participants suggest that the tan(x/2) substitution may not be necessary for changing the variable of integration and propose stopping at a certain point in the simplification process.
  • Questions arise regarding how to revert expressions back to x and the derivation of certain trigonometric identities related to sin(x) and cos(x).

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and guidance on the use of the tan(x/2) substitution and the simplification of the integral. There is a lack of explicit consensus on the correctness of the various approaches, but some participants are offering clarifications and alternative perspectives.

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Participants are navigating through the complexities of trigonometric identities and substitutions, with some expressing confusion about the relationships between the variables and the transformations involved in the integral.

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I'm looking to solve this integral with the tan(x/2) substitution but so far, I don't know what to do.

Homework Statement



[tex]\int[/tex][tex]\sqrt{1-sinx}dx[/tex]

Homework Equations



u=tan(x/2)

The Attempt at a Solution



Well, using the tan(x/2) substitution, I get that:

sinx=[tex]\frac{2u}{1+u^2}[/tex]
dx=[tex]\frac{2du}{1+u^2}[/tex]

So I get:
[tex]\int\frac{2(u-1)du}{(1+u^2)^(3/2)}[/tex]

Now I don't know what to do.

Another method I tried is multiplying by conjugate:

[tex]\int[/tex][tex]\sqrt{1-sinx}[/tex][tex]\frac{\sqrt{1+sinx}}{\sqrt{1+sinx}}[/tex]dx

[tex]\int[/tex][tex]\frac{\sqrt{1-sin^2(x)}}{\sqrt{1+sinx}}[/tex]dx

[tex]\int[/tex][tex]\frac{cosxdx}{\sqrt{1+sinx}}[/tex]dx

u=sinx
du=cosxdx

[tex]\int[/tex][tex]\frac{du}{\sqrt{1+u}}[/tex]

[tex]\int[/tex](u+1)^(-[tex]\frac{1}{2}[/tex])du

2(u+1)^([tex]\frac{1}{2}[/tex]

2[tex]\sqrt{sinx+1}[/tex]+ C

Obviously, this is the wrong answer but I don't see where I went wrong.

Which way should I approach this problem?
 
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noblerare said:
sinx=[tex]\frac{2u}{1+u^2}[/tex]
dx=[tex]\frac{2du}{1+u^2}[/tex]

So I get:
[tex]\int\frac{2(u-1)du}{(1+u^2)^(3/2)}[/tex]

Hi noblerare! :smile:

Actually, you've gone too far.

tan(x/2) can be useful just for simplifying a formula … you don't necessarily have to change the vatiable of integration also.

In this case, just stop at √(1 - sinx) = √(1 - u)^2/√(1 + u^2).

Now translate it back to x … it's cos(x/2) - sin(x/2).

(to check, note that 1 - sinx = cos^2(x/2) - 2cos(x/2)sin(x/2) + sin^2(x/2) !).

So ∫√(1 - sinx)dx = √(cos(x/2) - sin(x/2))dx. :smile:
 
noblerare said:
}}[/tex]dx

[tex]\int[/tex][tex]\frac{\sqrt{1-sin^2(x)}}{\sqrt{1+sinx}}[/tex]dx

[tex]\int[/tex][tex]\frac{cosxdx}{\sqrt{1+sinx}}[/tex]dx



2[tex]\sqrt{sinx+1}[/tex]+ C

Obviously, this is the wrong answer but I don't see where I went wrong.

Which way should I approach this problem?

Why do u think that this is the wrong answer, it looks fine to me?

[tex](2\sqrt{sinx+1}+C)'=2\frac{1}{2}\frac{cosx}{\sqrt{1+sinx}}=\frac{cosx}{\sqrt{1+sinx}}*\frac{\sqrt{1-sinx}}{\sqrt{1-sinx}}=\frac{cosx\sqrt{1-sinx}}{\sqrt{1-sin^{2}x}}=\frac{cosx\sqrt{1-sinx}}{cosx}=\sqrt{1-sinx}[/tex]

If the answer in the book is different from this one, they should be equivalent, because nothing is wrong with this.
 
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I'm sorry, tiny-tim, I still don't quite understand what you're trying to say

I understand this
tiny-tim said:
In this case, just stop at √(1 - sinx) = √(1 - u)^2/√(1 + u^2).

So far, I left my integral as so...

but
tiny-tim said:
Now translate it back to x … it's cos(x/2) - sin(x/2).

how do I change it back to x? I also don't see how cos^2(x/2) -2cos(x/2)sin(x/2) + sin^2(x/2) comes out to 1-sinx
 
Noblerare,

Your answer is correct, what else are you looking for??
 
… standard trig formulas …

noblerare said:
how do I change it back to x?

Because √(1 - u)^2/√(1 + u^2) = (1 - u)/√(1 + u^2)
= (1 - tan(x/2))cos(x/2)
= cos(x/2) - sin(x/2). :smile:
I also don't see how cos^2(x/2) -2cos(x/2)sin(x/2) + sin^2(x/2) comes out to 1-sinx

Hi noblerare! :smile:

Well, cos^2 + sin^2 = 1.

And sin2x = 2.sinx.cosx. :smile:

You really need to learn these formulas: :wink:

sin2x = 2.sinx.cosx = 2tanx.cos^2(x)
cos2x = cos^2(x) - sin^2(x)
1 + cos2x = 2cos^2(x)
1 - cos2x = 2sin^2(x)​
 

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