How far does the student run before catching the bus?

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The problem involves a student running to catch a bus that starts moving from rest at a red light. The student runs at a constant speed of 6.0 m/s while the bus accelerates at 1.0 m/s². The scenario raises questions about uniform acceleration and the relationship between the distances traveled by both the student and the bus.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the nature of uniform acceleration and how it applies to the bus's movement. There is confusion regarding the initial conditions and the equations of motion relevant to both the student and the bus.

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Some participants have offered guidance on using kinematic equations to relate the distances traveled by the student and the bus. There is an ongoing exploration of how to set up the equations correctly, with various interpretations of the problem being considered.

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Participants note that the student is initially 16 meters away from the bus when it begins to move, which is a critical aspect of the problem. There is also a discussion about the implications of the student's constant speed versus the bus's acceleration.

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A student is trying to catch a bus that is stopped at a red light. She runs toward it at a constant speed of 6.0m/s. When she is 16m away from the bus, the light turns green and the bus pulls away with an acceleration of 1.0m/s^2.
(a) How far does the student run before catching the bus?
(b) How fast is the bus traveling when the student catches up with it?


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The main problem I'm having with this questions is getting a grip on uniform acceleration. The questions says that the bus moves with an acceleration of 1.0 m/s^2, so does that mean every second the bus moves 1.0m, or every second the bus moves 1.0m more than it did the previous second? So at 1s it moves 1m, at 2s it moves 3m, at 3s it moves 4m etc.
 
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It's the second one: every second the bus moves 1.0m more than it did the previous second.

However, at the beginning of the first second the velocity of the bus is zero. At the end of the first second, the velocity of the bus is 1 m/s. So during the first second the average velocity of the bus is 1/2 m/s .

Do you have any kinematic equations?
 


Vf^2= Vi^2 +2a(delta)d
(delta)d= Vf(delta)t - 1/2*2(delta t)^2
I'm just really confused at this point and have no idea where to start.
 


Δd= Vi(Δt) + (1/2)(a)(Δt)2 looks like what you need, but you need one version for the student and one version for the bus. (Somehow, you have an extra 2 in your equation & a few other different things. sign & final rather than initial velocity.)

The student runs at a constant velocity of 6.0 m/s. What's her acceleration?
Also, she is she is 16 m from the bus when it begins to move. How much greater must her displacement be than that of the bus, for her to catch the bus?

The bus starts from rest. What is its initial velocity?
 


Her acceleration would be 0m/s^2 because she is moving at a constant velocity.
The bus's initial velocity would be 0m/s since starting from rest.
After 2.66s the student would have run 16m
At this point the bus would have already traveled 3.5m
Δd= Vi(Δt) + (1/2)(a)(Δt)2
= (1/2)(a)(Δt)2
=(0.5)(1.0m/s^2)(2.66s)^2
=3.5m

I need to find where the two displacement values overlap, yes?
 


For the girl:
Δd=4.0s (6.0m/s)
Δd= 24m

Δd= Vi(Δt) + (1/2)(a)(Δt)2
= (1/2)(a)(Δt)2
=(0.5)(1.0m/s^2)(4.0s)^2
=8m
8m+16m
Δd=24m

Therefore, the student has to run 24m before catching the bus.
 


Maybe I over reading this, but for a), it asked how how far does she have to run and the problem says 16m...
 


How far does she have to run before catching the bus, but the bus begins to move as she begins to run after it.
 


I see that you have the right answer, but it wasn't obtained in a very general way.

For bus:
Δd = (1/2)(1.0)(Δt)2

For student:
Δd is 16 meters more than the above, so Δd = (1/2)(1.0)(Δt)2 + 16

But also, Δd is also given by Δd = (6.0) (Δt)

Equating these two gives: (1/2)(1.0)(Δt)2 + 16 = (6.0) (Δt) .

Solve this for Δt. You'll get a quadratic equation with two solutions. Only the positive one makes sense.​
 
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why does Δd = (1/2)(1.0)(Δt)2 + 16
If the student is running at a constant speed her acceleration would be 0m/s^2 not 1.0m/s^2 would it not?
 
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Because (1/2)(1.0)(Δt)2 is the bus's displacement and hers is 16 m more than that of the bus giving (1/2)(1.0)(Δt)2 + 16 .
 

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