How Fast Do We Perceive Light Compared to Its Actual Speed?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the perception of light and how it relates to its actual speed. Participants explore the differences between the speed of light and the speed at which humans perceive visual information, considering both neurological processing and the mechanics of visual stimuli, such as television refresh rates.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how they can perceive light almost instantly when nothing can travel faster than light, suggesting a potential conflict between perception speed and light speed.
  • Another participant notes that light travels very quickly, and while a TV updates its picture every few milliseconds, this is still too fast for the human eye to notice flickering.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that the light seen is already at the observer's location, and the brain compensates for the slower neurological processes, filling in gaps in perception.
  • One participant mentions that the initial information from visual stimuli takes about a tenth of a second to reach the brain, highlighting the slow speed of perception compared to light.
  • A hypothetical scenario is proposed where if one could perceive at the speed of light, they question whether they would notice flickering on a television screen, raising issues of frame of reference and perception.
  • Another participant shares personal experience with flicker perception on monitors, indicating that individual differences in perception can affect the experience of visual stimuli.
  • It is noted that the speed of nerve impulses is significantly slower than the speed of light, suggesting that what is perceived as instant is actually a delay of hundreds of milliseconds.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the relationship between light speed and perception speed, with no consensus reached. Some agree on the slow nature of neurological processing, while others explore hypothetical scenarios without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various factors influencing perception, such as the refresh rate of televisions and individual differences in visual processing, but these factors remain unresolved in terms of their overall impact on perception of light.

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If nothing can travel faster than light.Then i am confused as to how i am able to perceive light seemingly the instant i open my eyes.Is the speed at which i can perceive comparable to that of light?Shouldn't the matter withwhich my brain is constituted not significantly impede the electromagnetic radiation as is received via the retina,optic nerve and receptors of my brain

Any suggestions and commentary would be apprecaited.
Thanks :confused:
 
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Light traverses a metre in a few nanoseconds. A TV only updates the picture every few milliseconds, and even that is too fast for you to notice the flicker.
 
Remember that you're seeing light that's already at your location, so the speed of it doesn't matter. For instance, if you open your eyes at night and see a star, that light has been traveling for thousands of years. It just happens to be hitting your eye at that moment. Neurological processes are indeed very slow compared to c, but the brain compensates. A lot of things move too quickly for you to actually see them properly, but the brain fills in the blanks. A baseball batter, for instance, cannot track a fastball from the pitcher's hand to the plate. Some watch it leave the hand and extrapolate where it will go, and others wait until it's close before acquiring a picture of it. To both types, however, it appears to be a constant scene.
 
Also, yes, the "speed of perception" is extremely slow comparatively. For continuous visual cues (ie, watching a computer animation), you can notice changes over perhaps a hundredth of a second, but the initial information takes somewhere on the order of a tenth of a second to get from your eyes to your brain.

The slowest part of turning on a light is probably the time it takes to heat up and start emitting light, but that is probably only a few miliseconds. The light itself takes only 1/3*10^9 seconds to get from the light to your eye if it is a meter away and the signal from the switch to the light not much more.
 
These are all very comprehensive responses.I probably should have presented the inquiry in a more stereotypical hypothetical format.I agree,i cannot follow with my eyes a baseball traveling at a velocity of over 80mph.As well,i witness no flickering as i am watching an television broadcast.However,assume i could perceive,not conceptualize,at near 286,000mps,and i do not mean to say,move my eyes at this velocity.Would i then be enabled to see this flicker on my television as it updated? Being that perception in this assumption is observing at a velocity relative to that of light.Would there be any frame of reference that would indicate any change?Would not all that i observe seem as usual?

Thank you for your answers
 
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dcclxxvii said:
These are all very comprehensive responses.I probably should have presented the inquiry in a more stereotypical hypothetical format.
I don't know about that. A little clarity would help though.

AM
 
cesiumfrog said:
A TV only updates the picture every few milliseconds, and even that is too fast for you to notice the flicker.
I notice the flicker. This is a combination of the persitance of the phosphors on the TV and a person's eyes. I can't stand monitors at 60hz. I run mine at 85hz. The TV phosphors are pretty much set for 60hz, so the main variation is your eyes, and how bright the room is.

The flicker is less noticable in a dark room (like a theater running at 24 frames per second), because the persistance of a persons eyes is longer under these conditions (dark background, relatively bright screen). As an extreme example, in a very dark room, flashing a strobe will cause an image that persists for several seconds. In my case, I turn down the lights when watching TV to reduce the flicker effect.

Getting back on topic, the speed of impulses in your nerves and brain cells is a lot slower than the speed of light. What you interpret as instant, is really hundredths of a second.
 
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