How fast does density change in an isobaric system?

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The discussion revolves around the dynamics of gas density changes in an isobaric system influenced by an ideal heater in a standard temperature and pressure (STP) environment. Participants explore the factors affecting density over time and the conditions necessary for equilibrium.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant, S.L., describes an isobaric system with an ideal heater and seeks help in understanding how gas density changes over time at a specific distance from the heater.
  • Another participant suggests that without equilibrium, chaotic density fluctuations may occur due to eddies and currents in the gas, indicating that additional information may be necessary.
  • A different participant speculates that density changes could depend on factors such as mean particle speed, collision frequency, energy accommodation coefficient, and a relaxation constant, proposing a simplification to a specific gas condition (100kPa Argon at 293.2K).
  • One participant recommends using a Navier-Stokes solver for a solution with a specified accuracy, implying a computational approach to the problem.

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Participants express differing views on the sufficiency of information provided and the complexity of the system, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a consensus on the approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of equilibrium conditions, potential chaotic behavior in the gas, and the need for specific parameters to accurately model the density changes.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying fluid dynamics, thermodynamics, or anyone involved in computational modeling of gas behaviors in isobaric conditions.

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Suppose the following

  • an isobaric system
  • an ideal heater(1) of infinite area on a single plane in a STP environment
  • the heater is set to a given temperature

At a given distance perpendicular to the heater surface, what will the density of the gas be over time?

I spent a good part of the day getting nowhere, hopefully someone here can help.

Thank you,

S.L.

1: All gas particle interactions with the heater result in the gas particle leaving at the set temperature of the heater
 
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If you are asked for the density p(x,t) then there isn't enough information - without equilibrium there may be eddies and currents in the gas giving chaotic density fluctuations at any point. Presumably there is something else to take into account?
 
I would speculate that in an idealized system, this would be a function of the mean air particle speed, the mean collision frequency, energy accommodation coefficient, and possibly some relaxation constant/coefficient.

We can simplify the problem further by changing the STP environment to an infinite volume of 100kPa Argon at 293.2K

I'm interested in the approximate time it takes to get to equilibrium, and the quadratic relationship to distance.

Any takers?
 
Look for a Navier-Stokes solver, it will get you an answer within 15% accuracy.
 

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