How Fast Were the Spacecrafts Traveling Before Separation?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving two spacecraft that separate in space after being linked. The problem requires determining their original speed before separation, given their masses and velocities after separation, along with the angles of their trajectories.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of initial momentum based on final velocities and angles. There are attempts to clarify the significance of using appropriate significant figures and the implications of the angles provided. Some participants express uncertainty about the correctness of the calculations and the setup of the problem.

Discussion Status

Several calculations have been presented, with some participants questioning the assumptions made regarding momentum in different directions. There is acknowledgment of potential issues with the problem's formulation, and participants are exploring different interpretations of the data.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem may be poorly posed, particularly regarding the interpretation of momentum in the y-direction and the implications for the initial speed and direction of motion.

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Two spacecraft from different nations have linked in space and are coasting with their engines off, heading directly toward Mars. The spacecraft s are thrust apart by large springs. Spacecraft 1, with a mass of 1.9 x 10^4 kg, then has a velocity of 3.5 x 10^3 km/h at 5.1 degrees to its original direction. Spacecraft 2, whose mass is 1.7 x 10^4 kg, has a velocity of 3.4 x 10^3 km/h at 5.9 degrees to its original direction. Determine the original speed of the two craft when they were linked together.

m1 = 1.9 x 10^4 kg
v1 = 972 m/s

m2 = 1.7 x 10^4 kg
v2 = 944 m/s

2. The attempt at a solution

Pf1 = (1.9 x 10^4 kg)(972 m/s) = 1.8 x 10^7 Ns
Pf2 = (1.7 x 10^4 kg)(944 m/s) = 1.6 x 10^7 Ns

The initial momentum will be the parallel components of the final momentum, so

Pti = (1.8 x 10^7 Ns)(cos5.1) + (1.6 x 10^7 Ns)(cos5.9) = 3.4 x 10^7 Ns
v = (3.4 x 10^7 Ns)/(3.6 x 10^4 kg) = 944 m/s

I'm not sure of it at all, help appreciated.
 
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Enaqbz said:
m1 = 1.9 x 10^4 kg
v1 = 972 m/s

m2 = 1.7 x 10^4 kg
v2 = 944 m/s
There is no need to convert to m/s. You have to use more significant figures than 2. This is because the angles are small and the difference between the actual speed and the component in the original direction is lost if you stick to 2 significant figures. The problem is poorly set, in that respect.

Pf1 = (1.9 x 10^4 kg)(972 m/s) = 1.8 x 10^7 Ns
Pf2 = (1.7 x 10^4 kg)(944 m/s) = 1.6 x 10^7 Ns
Pf1 = (1.9 x 10^4 kg)(3.5 x 10^3 km/hr) = 6.65 x 10^7 kg km/hr
Pf2 = (1.7 x 10^4 kg)(3.4 x 10^3 km/hr) = 5.78 x 10^7 kg km/hr

The initial momentum will be the parallel components of the final momentum, so

Pti = (1.8 x 10^7 Ns)(cos5.1) + (1.6 x 10^7 Ns)(cos5.9) = 3.4 x 10^7 Ns
v = (3.4 x 10^7 Ns)/(3.6 x 10^4 kg) = 944 m/s
Pti = (6.65 x 10^7)(cos5.1) + (5.78 x 10^7)(cos5.9) = 12.4 x 10^7 kg km/hr
v = (12.4 x 10^7 kg km/hr)/(3.6 x 10^4 kg) = 3.44 x 10^4 km/hr

AM
 
Andrew Mason said:
Pti = (6.65 x 10^7)(cos5.1) + (5.78 x 10^7)(cos5.9) = 12.4 x 10^7 kg km/hr
v = (12.4 x 10^7 kg km/hr)/(3.6 x 10^4 kg) = 3.44 x 10^4 km/hr
AM

Your velocity seems to be one x10 too big.

v = (12.4 x 10^7 kg km/hr)/(3.6 x 10^4 kg) = 3.44 x 10^3 km/hr

Noted for reference.
 
I note that the sum of the momenta in the y-direction is not zero if you interpret the given data in a straightforward way. This has implications for the initial speed, for the initial direction of motion, and for the angles given. Again, the problem seems poorly posed.
 

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