How Is Heat Transport in a Rod Influenced by Its Radius and Material Properties?

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The discussion revolves around heat transport in a rod, specifically examining how the radius and material properties influence temperature distribution and heat transfer. The original poster presents a mathematical model involving a heat equation and attempts to derive expressions for temperature as a function of position and the rate of heat transfer based on the rod's radius.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the derivation of temperature profiles and the implications of dimensional correctness in the exponential term. There are attempts to express the rate of heat transfer and its dependence on the radius of the rod, with some questioning the integration of heat transfer rates over distance.

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Multiple interpretations of the mathematical expressions are being explored, with some participants providing corrections to earlier attempts. There is ongoing dialogue about the validity of certain assumptions and the dimensional analysis of the equations presented. Guidance has been offered regarding the integration of heat transfer rates and the implications for the temperature gradient.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information available for discussion. There are references to specific conditions under which approximations may be valid, indicating that assumptions about the rod's properties are being critically examined.

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Homework Statement


show ## \rho c_m \frac{\partial T}{\partial t} = \kappa \frac{\partial^2T}{\partial x^2} -\frac{2}{a}R(T)##
where ##R(T)=A(T-T_0) ##

a) Obtain an expression for T as a function of x for the case of an infinitely long rod whose hot end has temperature ##T_m##
b) Show that the heat that can be transported away by a long rod of radius a is proportional to ##a^{\frac{3}{2}}##, provided A is independent of a.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


so for part a) I got
##T=T_0 +(T_m-T_0)e^{-\sqrt{\frac{2A}{a}}x}##

Then for b) I thought that the rate of heat transfer will be ##2 \pi a R(T)## but this gives something that is proportional to a not ##a^{\frac{3}{2}}##

Many thanks in advance
 
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a) is not right. Is your exponential term dimensionally correct?
b) 2πaR(T) is the rate per unit length. What do you get when you integrate it over x?
 
Physgeek64 said:

Homework Statement


show ## \rho c_m \frac{\partial T}{\partial t} = \kappa \frac{\partial^2T}{\partial x^2} -\frac{2}{a}R(T)##
where ##R(T)=A(T-T_0) ##

a) Obtain an expression for T as a function of x for the case of an infinitely long rod whose hot end has temperature ##T_m##
b) Show that the heat that can be transported away by a long rod of radius a is proportional to ##a^{\frac{3}{2}}##, provided A is independent of a.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


so for part a) I got
##T=T_0 +(T_m-T_0)e^{-\sqrt{\frac{2A}{a}}x}##

Then for b) I thought that the rate of heat transfer will be ##2 \pi a R(T)## but this gives something that is proportional to a not ##a^{\frac{3}{2}}##

Many thanks in advance
What is the temperature gradient at x = 0? If you multiply this by the cross sectional area and thermal conductivity, what do you get for the rate of heat flow into the rod?
 
mjc123 said:
a) is not right. Is your exponential term dimensionally correct?
b) 2πaR(T) is the rate per unit length. What do you get when you integrate it over x?
Sorry, i just typed this wrong my answer is $$T=T_0 +(T_m-T_0)e^{-\sqrt{\frac{2A}{a\kappa}x}}$$

integrating over x i get the rate of heat loss is $$2\pi \sqrt{\frac{\kappa}{2A}}a^{\frac{3}{2}} (T_m - T_0)(e^{-\sqrt{\frac{2A}{a\kappa}l}}-1)$$ Does this seem right

The question then asks for what l is this approximation valid. Any ideas?

Many thanks
 
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I see that you decided not to follow the approach I suggested in post #3. So, I guess I'll answer my own questions.

The corrected equation for the temperature is: $$T=T_0 +(T_m-T_0)e^{-\sqrt{\frac{2A}{\kappa a}}x}$$
The temperature gradient at location x is $$\frac{dT}{dx}=-(T_m-T_0)\sqrt{\frac{2A}{\kappa a}}e^{-\sqrt{\frac{2A}{\kappa a}}x}$$
So the temperature gradient at x = 0 is: $$\frac{dT}{dx}=-(T_m-T_0)\sqrt{\frac{2A}{\kappa a}}$$
So the heat flux at x = 0 is: $$q(0)=-\kappa\left(\frac{dT}{dx}\right)_{x=0}=(T_m-T_0)\sqrt{\frac{2A\kappa}{ a}}$$
So the rate of heat loss is: $$Q=\pi a^2q(0)=\pi a^2(T_m-T_0)\sqrt{\frac{2A\kappa}{ a}}$$This is proportional to ##a^{3/2}##

Your answer in post #4 is not consistent with this.
 

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