How Is Linear Velocity AE Derived in a Scholarly Paper?

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of linear velocity AE as presented in a scholarly paper related to circular motion and the Kepler problem. Participants explore the mathematical and conceptual aspects of this derivation, including the application of angular velocity and the implications of gravitational forces.

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  • One participant references the basic physics equation for tangential velocity in circular motion, suggesting that it can be equated to a geometrical construction involving an angle phi.
  • Another participant questions whether the approximation AC = AB is valid, indicating uncertainty about the assumptions made in the paper.
  • A different perspective suggests that the derivation could be simplified using modern vector notation instead of relying solely on elementary Newtonian mechanics.
  • One participant describes the motion in terms of a fixed center (the sun) and discusses the conservation of angular momentum and energy in the context of the Kepler problem.
  • There is a request for clarification on whether a specific equation relates to the force of gravity, indicating a need for deeper understanding of the derivation process.
  • Another participant expresses difficulty in visualizing the motion described in the paper, comparing it to a ball moving outward on a spinning disk.

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Dear Ryan,
from basic school level physics, one knows that in case of a circular motion:
Tangential Velocity= rw, where w is the angular velocity - which in turn is the time rate of change of the angle subtended at the center.
From geometrical construction provided in the attachment, this tangential velocity =V cos(phi)
Equating the two, one gets first equation.

Regards
 
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Is there an approximation that AC = AB?
 
Hm, this seems to be somewhat overcomplicated. Although the most beautiful way to understand the Kepler problem is analytical Hamiltonian mechanics with the exploitation of the full SO(4) symmetry of the problem, it's also quite easily possible to use only "elementary Newtonian mechanics". This is what the paper does, but it can be somewhat simplified by using modern vector notation.

We treat the simplified Kepler problem with a fixed center (i.e., the limit of a "sun" with infinite mass). The more general case of the interacting two-body problem is only slightly more cumbersome, because it can be mapped to the fixed-center problem by introducing center-mass and relative coordinates.

Putting the sun in the origin of a Cartesian coordinate system leads to the equation of motion
[tex]m \ddot{\vec{r}}=-\frac{\gamma m M}{r^2} \frac{\vec{r}}{r} \qquad (1).[/tex]
Since we have a central force, the angular momentum is conserved. This follows immediately by taking the cross product with the radius vector:
[tex]m \vec{r} \times \ddot{\vec{r}}=m \frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d} t} (\vec{r} \times \dot{\vec{r}})=0 \; \Rightarrow \; \vec{L}=m \vec{r} \times \dot{\vec{r}}=\text{const}.[/tex]
Assuming that [itex]\vec{L} \neq 0[/itex] we can choose the coordinate system such that the [itex]z[/itex] axis is along the direction of [itex]L[/itex]. Since both [itex]\vec{r}[/itex] and [itex]\dot{\vec{r}}[/itex] are perpendicular to this fixed direction, the motion is indeed restricted to the [itex]xy[/itex] plane, and we can introduce polar coordinates,
[tex]\vec{r}=r (\cos \theta,\sin \theta,0) \qquad (2)[/tex]
and the velocity is
[tex]\dot{\vec{r}}=\dot{r} (\cos \theta,\sin \theta,0)+r \dot{\theta} (-\sin \theta,\cos \theta,0).\qquad (3)[/tex]
It follows
[tex]\vec{L}=m \vec{r} \times \dot{\vec{r}}=m r \dot{\theta} \vec{e}_z.[/tex]
Thus
[tex]L=m r \dot{\theta} = \text{const}. \qquad (4)[/tex]
This is already Kepler's 2nd law: The radius vector between sun and planet sweeps out equal areas per unit time, i.e., the "area velocity" is constant. This follows directly from the meaning of the cross product.

To get the form of the orbit, we use the conservation of energy, which follows from taking the dot product of (1) with [itex]\vec{r}[/itex]:
[tex]m \dot{\vec{r}} \cdot \ddot{\vec{r}}=\frac{m}{2} \frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d} t} \dot{\vec{r}}^2=-\gamma m M \frac{\dot{\vec{r}} \cdot \vec{r}}{r^3}.[/tex]
Using (2) and (3) gives
[tex]\frac{m}{2} \frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d} t} \dot{\vec{r}}^2=-\gamma m M \frac{\dot{r}}{r^2}=-\gamma m M \frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d} t} \left (\frac{1}{r} \right ).[/tex]
This leads to
[tex]E=\frac{m}{2} \dot{\vec{r}}^2-\frac{\gamma m M}{r}=\text{const}.[/tex]
Of course
[tex]V(r)=-\frac{\gamma m M}{r}[/tex]
is the potential for the gravitational force and [itex]E[/itex] the total energy.

Using (3) again leads to
[tex]E=\frac{m}{2} (\dot{r}^2 + r^2 \dot{\theta}^2)-\frac{\gamma m M}{r}.[/tex]
With help of (4) this can be written as
[tex]E=\frac{m}{2} \dot{r}^2+\frac{L^2}{2 m r^2} -\frac{\gamma m M}{r}. \qquad (5)[/tex]
This equation is not solvable in closed form, but it is possible to get the form of the orbit as a polar equation.
[tex]r=r(\theta).[/tex]
To that end we use (4) again to write
[tex]\dot{r}=r'(\theta) \dot{\theta}=r'(\theta) \frac{L}{m r^2}.[/tex]
Plugging this into (5) we find
[tex]E=\frac{L^2}{2m r^4} r'^2+\frac{L^2}{2m r^2}-\frac{\gamma m M}{r}. \qquad(6)[/tex]
Substituting
[tex]r=\frac{1}{s} \; \Rightarrow \; s'=-\frac{r'}{r^2}[/tex]
into (6) we get
[tex]E=\frac{L^2}{2m} s'^2 + \frac{L^2}{2m} s^2 - \gamma m M s. \qquad (7).[/tex]
Taking the derivative of this equation wrt. [\itex]\theta[/itex] gives
[tex]s' \left (\frac{L^2}{m} s'' + \frac{L^2}{m} s -\gamma m M \right)=0.[/tex]
Because generally [itex]s' \neq 0[/itex] the bracket must vanish, and the linear differential equation has the general solution
[tex]s=\frac{\gamma m^2 M}{L^2} + C_1 \cos \varphi + C_2 \sin \varphi. \qquad (8)[/tex]
Demanding that the perihelion (point of closest approach of the planet to the sun) at [itex]\varphi=0[/itex] leads to [itex]C_2=0[/itex].
The solution
[tex]r(\theta)=\frac{p}{1+\epsilon \cos \theta}[/tex]
describes a conical section with a focus at the origin. Using (8) in (7) gives for the parameters
[tex]p=\frac{L^2}{\gamma m^2 M}, \quad \epsilon=\sqrt{1+\frac{2 E L^2}{\gamma^2 m^3 M^2}}.[/tex]
This shows that the orbit is an ellipse for [itex]E<0[/itex], a parabola for [itex]E=0[/itex], and a hyperbola for [itex]E>0[/itex]. The bound motion of a planet around the sun is thus always an ellipse (or for the special case that [itex]\epsilon=0[/itex] a circle). This is Kepler's 1st Law.
 
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Zafariqbal82 said:
Dear Ryan,
from basic school level physics, one knows that in case of a circular motion:
Tangential Velocity= rw, where w is the angular velocity - which in turn is the time rate of change of the angle subtended at the center.
From geometrical construction provided in the attachment, this tangential velocity =V cos(phi)
Equating the two, one gets first equation.

Regards

I think part of my problem is visualizing the motion of this "thing". Is it like a ball moving outwards on a spinning disk? or something like that?
 
paisiello2 said:
Is there an approximation that AC = AB?

It doesn't state that anywhere, so I don't know.
 
vanhees71 said:
Putting the sun in the origin of a Cartesian coordinate system leads to the equation of motion
[tex]m \ddot{\vec{r}}=-\frac{\gamma m M}{r^2} \frac{\vec{r}}{r} \qquad (1).[/tex]
.

Thanks for the wonderful response. Are you equating ma=Force of gravity here?
 
rpthomps said:
Thanks for the wonderful response. Are you equating ma=Force of gravity here?

Yes he is, I think he is also trying to demonstrate how cumbersome it is to start the kepler problem in vector formalism.
 

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