How Is the Coefficient of Restitution Linked to Conservation of Energy?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between the Coefficient of Restitution (COR) and the Conservation of Energy, particularly in the context of collisions. Participants explore the origins of the COR equation and its application to scenarios involving objects dropped from specific heights.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the derivation of the COR equation in relation to the Conservation of Energy, specifically referencing the transformation from gravitational potential energy to kinetic energy.
  • Another participant suggests that the COR is an engineering approximation similar to the coefficient of friction, applicable under certain conditions.
  • A different viewpoint states that the COR is defined as the ratio of velocities before and after a collision, emphasizing that mass loss is typically not considered in these calculations.
  • One participant argues that the COR is more abstract than the coefficient of friction and expresses concern about its application in non-ideal situations, suggesting that it is primarily useful for educational purposes in mechanics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature and applicability of the Coefficient of Restitution, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations are noted regarding the ideal conditions under which the COR is applied, and the potential for confusion in real-world scenarios involving collisions.

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Where does the Coefficient of Restitution equation come from, in terms of the Conservation of Energy?

The measure of efficiency is the velocity after the collision divided by the velocity before the collision, but how does it get to that point? I'm trying to view this focused on an object that is dropped from a specific height.

I believe it has something to do with 1/2mv^2=mgh (kinetic energy and gravitation potential energy put into Ei=Ef+Wnc) but I'm not sure how the transformation occurs.

Let me know if I'm being too vague, as I'm not exactly sure how much information is necessary.
 
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It comes from the same place that the coefficient of friction does. It is an engineering approximation that holds over a useful range of conditions.
 
The Coefficient of Restitution Is actually defined as such. It is actually the ratio of impact after and before collision. Since most of the times, we don't consider loss of mass of the colliding bodies we have only velocity as the parameter which will measure the impact of the collision. Hence, Coefficient of Restitution comes into scene.
 
jbriggs444 said:
It comes from the same place that the coefficient of friction does.
Actually, I would say that it is even more of an abstraction than the coefficient of friction. Most situations where people seem to want to use it are so far from 'ideal' that I would say its only use is for answering A level Mechanics questions. I wish that School Maths courses would introduce COR with a massive caveat from the start. It would help reduce the number of unanswerable questions on PF that we get about collisions. Steel balls and steel plates - OK. Anything else, treat it with care.
 

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