How Is the Enthalpy Balance Equation Derived for Chemical Reactions?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the derivation and understanding of the enthalpy balance equation for chemical reactions, specifically the equation ΔHReaction0 = ΣΔHProducts0 - ΣΔHReactants0. Participants explore whether this equation is derived from the general energy balance equation or if it stands independently for chemical reactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if the enthalpy balance equation is derived from the general energy balance equation, suggesting a potential connection between the two.
  • Another participant clarifies that ΔH0 is defined as the change in enthalpy at constant temperature and pressure, emphasizing the need for a specific process to measure it.
  • There is a discussion about whether the enthalpy balance equation is a "real" balance like energy or mass balances, with differing views on its classification as a mathematical tool versus a physical quantity.
  • One participant notes that for ideal gases, the heat of mixing is zero, which allows the direct application of ΔH0 to the mixture.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the relationship between the enthalpy balance equation and Hess' Law, with acknowledgment of Hess' Law's role in practical applications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the enthalpy balance equation is derived from the general energy balance equation or if it is developed independently for chemical reactions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the classification of the enthalpy balance equation.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of specific conditions, such as constant temperature and pressure, in understanding the enthalpy balance equation. There is also mention of the need for clarity in definitions and processes related to enthalpy.

MexChemE
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Hello PF! I have a very short question. We're currently doing enthalpy balances for chemical reactions in our Thermo class. We are using the simple enthalpy balance equation:
\Delta H_{\textrm{Reaction}}^0 = \sum \Delta H_{\textrm{Products}}^0 - \sum \Delta H_{\textrm{Reactants}}^0
My question is, is this equation derived from the general energy balance equation, adjusted in some way for chemical reactions?
 
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MexChemE said:
Hello PF! I have a very short question. We're currently doing enthalpy balances for chemical reactions in our Thermo class. We are using the simple enthalpy balance equation:
\Delta H_{\textrm{Reaction}}^0 = \sum \Delta H_{\textrm{Products}}^0 - \sum \Delta H_{\textrm{Reactants}}^0
My question is, is this equation derived from the general energy balance equation, adjusted in some way for chemical reactions?
No. ΔH0 refers to the change in enthalpy at constant temperature and 1 atm pressure, starting out with pure reactants at T and 1 atm, and ending up with pure products at T and 1 atm. To measure this, you need to dream up a process in which the reactants and products move between these states, and you measure the amount of heat you have to add so that the final temperature matches the initial temperature. That's the definition of ΔH0. Often, if you have tables of heats of formation that include the reactants and products participating in the particular reaction, you can determine the heat of the reaction from these.

Chet
 
So, it is not a "real" balance in the same vein as an energy or mass balance, just a useful mathematical tool?
 
MexChemE said:
So, it is not a "real" balance in the same vein as an energy or mass balance, just a useful mathematical tool?
I wouldn't put it in those words. It's a well-defined physical quantity that is used to model heat effects in actual processes involving chemical reactions.

Chet
 
Got it. Thanks!
 
MexChemE said:
So, it is not a "real" balance in the same vein as an energy or mass balance, just a useful mathematical tool?
I might also mention that, for a reaction mixture involving ideal gases, since the heat of mixing of ideal gases is zero, delta H zero applies directly to the mixture as well as to starting and ending with the pure products and reactants.

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
I wouldn't put it in those words. It's a well-defined physical quantity that is used to model heat effects in actual processes involving chemical reactions.

Chet

Yes, I think I didn't express myself correctly, I know ΔH0 is a well defined quantity. What I meant was that the enthalpy balance equation I wrote in the OP was developed exclusively for chemical reactions, independently of the general energy balance equation, is this right? Sorry, I should have watched my writing.
 
MexChemE said:
Yes, I think I didn't express myself correctly, I know ΔH0 is a well defined quantity. What I meant was that the enthalpy balance equation I wrote in the OP was developed exclusively for chemical reactions, independently of the general energy balance equation, is this right? Sorry, I should have watched my writing.
Sorry, I still don't follow. Are you asking how you include chemical reactions in the general energy balance equation for a piece of equipment? The equation you wrote in the OP is the definition of the quantity known as the heat of reaction, and is not necessarily related to any specific heat balance. However, if you carry out a reaction in a closed system at constant temperature and 1 atm pressure, then the quantity in your OP equation is also the heat you have to add to hold the system at constant temperature. Don't forget that enthalpy is a physical property of each of the materials involved, and is not related to any specific process or piece of equipment.

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
Are you asking how you include chemical reactions in the general energy balance equation for a piece of equipment?
Yes, this was my original question.
Chestermiller said:
The equation you wrote in the OP is the definition of the quantity known as the heat of reaction, and is not necessarily related to any specific heat balance.
Now it's crystal clear.
Chestermiller said:
Don't forget that enthalpy is a physical property of each of the materials involved, and is not related to any specific process or piece of equipment.
This statement is related to Hess' Law, right?
 
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MexChemE said:
This statement is related to Hess' Law, right?
Yes. Hess' Law is how it's applied in practice.

Chet
 

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