How Is the Equation of Motion Integrated?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the integration of the equation of motion, particularly in the context of Newton's second law and its application to a particle subject to viscous friction. Participants explore the mathematical steps involved in deriving the equations and the implications of these steps for understanding motion.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the integration process from the second to the third equation, specifically what variable the integration is performed with respect to.
  • Another participant suggests manipulating the equation by moving terms around and indicates that integrating both sides leads to a logarithmic relationship involving velocity.
  • A third participant expresses understanding of the integration process and proposes that the constant of integration contributes to the initial velocity term, V_0.
  • A fourth participant shifts the focus to the limitations of Newton's second law, emphasizing the need to express forces separately to apply the law effectively.
  • A fifth participant acknowledges the clarification provided and expresses a desire to understand the derivation process better, even if it is not critical to their understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and disagreement, particularly regarding the integration process and the implications of Newton's second law. There is no consensus on the best approach to understanding the integration in the context of motion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the mathematical steps involved may not fully align with standard practices, and there is an acknowledgment of the need for a deeper understanding of differential equations to clarify the integration process.

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I'm just reading a basic physics tutorial, here is what it says in the section this post concerns:I don't get how the go from the second equation to the third equation (the one with Vo). I do know how to integrate, but what are they taking the integral with respect to?
 
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Think of it as multiplying the the dt over to the other side, and then dividing the v the other way. So we have.

-[tex]\lambda[/tex]dt=m*dv/v

Now integrate both sides, one is an integral of dt the other dv.

Mathematically, this is not exactly what's going on, but you'll learn more when you take a differential equations course. Try to figure out how they get the v_0... it's from the constant of integration.
 
I'm taking a differential equations class next semester.

So, I get this: -[itex]\lambda[/itex]t + C = m*ln(v) + C
then I can treat this as a single constant and I divide by m. Then I can raise (e) to the power of both sides and I have
[tex]e^{-\lambda t/m + C} = v[/tex]
which can be written:
[tex]e^{C}e^{-\lambda t/m} = v[/tex]

and since [itex]e^{C}[/itex] is a constant I guess that is where V_0 comes from ??
 
The original statement was, "Newton's second law is insufficient to describe the motion of a particle." The discussion then degenerated into a particular example a particle subject to viscous friction only. The example essentially shifted the focus away from the original statement. The point of the original statement was just this:

Until you know how to express the forces involved, Newton's second law only provides the frame work for expressing the relation between motion and forces. The forces must be expressed separately if Newton's second law is going to be used to determine the motion.
 
Thanks for clarifying that. I knew that what I was asking wasn't vital to understanding what they are saying, but I still like to know how they got there.
 

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