Integration - Projectile Motion w/ Air Resistance

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The discussion revolves around the integration of equations of motion in projectile motion with air resistance, specifically focusing on the derivation of a particular equation from FitzPatrick's online notes for classical mechanics. Participants explore the mathematical techniques involved in solving differential equations related to motion.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the derivation of equation 178 from FitzPatrick's notes, expressing confusion over the integration process.
  • Another participant suggests that the equation of motion can be rewritten as a form suitable for integration, indicating a method of separation of variables.
  • Several participants express uncertainty about the interpretation of derivatives, specifically whether dx/dt can be treated as a quotient, and seek clarification on the role of differentials in this context.
  • A later reply attempts to clarify that the justification for treating derivatives as fractions comes from the chain rule, but does not resolve the underlying confusion about the concept.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the treatment of derivatives and the validity of certain mathematical manipulations. There is no consensus on the correct approach to understanding the integration process or the use of differentials.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their understanding of the mathematical principles involved, particularly regarding the assumptions behind treating derivatives as quotients and the implications for solving differential equations.

crastinus
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I"ve seen several texts that say something like this:

Our equation of motion along x is
dvx/dt = -g(vx/vt)

Integrating this, we obtain equation 178 at this link (pretty near the top; sorry, but I can't figure out how to put the equation here). It's from FitzPatrick's online notes for classical mechanics.

I don't see how he gets to 178.
 
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Realize that ##\frac{dv}{dt} = av## can be rewritten as ##\frac{dv}{v} = adt##.
 
I'd learned that we shouldn't think of dx/dt as a quotient at all, and so we can't multiply both sides by dt.

I have seen enough to know that that's wrong, but I don't really understand why. Is this something to do with differentials?

Thanks for the help!
 
That's how you solve differential equations...
 
crastinus said:
I'd learned that we shouldn't think of dx/dt as a quotient at all, and so we can't multiply both sides by dt.

I have seen enough to know that that's wrong, but I don't really understand why. Is this something to do with differentials?

Thanks for the help!
This is called separation of variables and its justification comes from the chain rule. It shows that in some cases you can treat a derivative as 'merely' a fraction of differentials.
 
crastinus said:
I'd learned that we shouldn't think of dx/dt as a quotient at all, and so we can't multiply both sides by dt.

I have seen enough to know that that's wrong, but I don't really understand why. Is this something to do with differentials?

Thanks for the help!

Try:

http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/CalcI/Differentials.aspx
 

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