How Is the Limiting Displacement A0 Determined in a Spring System with Friction?

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The problem involves a mass-spring system with friction, where the original poster seeks to determine the limiting displacement A0 at which the mass remains at rest before sliding occurs. The context includes static and kinetic friction coefficients and the dynamics of simple harmonic motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to solve a differential equation related to simple harmonic motion but expresses uncertainty about deriving A0 from their solution. Some participants suggest revisiting Newton's second law and question the interpretation of static friction.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, with some providing guidance on the application of forces at the limiting displacement. There is an ongoing discussion about the implications of the signs in the equations and the physical meaning of A0.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted constraint regarding the requirement that A0 must be greater than zero, which raises questions about the validity of the derived expression for A0.

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Homework Statement


A mass m is attached to a spring with spring constant k. There is a coefficient of static friction,
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The coefficient of kinetic friction is uk
Suppose you pull the mass to the right and release it from rest.
You find there is a limiting value of x = A0 > 0 below which the
mass just sticks and does not move. For x > A0 , it starts sliding
when you release it from rest. Find A0 .

Homework Equations


## x''(t) + \omega x(t) - ( \mu mg)/k =0 ##

The Attempt at a Solution


I solved the ODE for Simple Harmonic Motion, and I get that ##x(t)=B sin ( \omega t) + C ( \omega t) -umg/k##, but I'm not sure where to go from there. The derivative at x = A0 must be zero, but how does that help me find A0 itself?
 
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The place to go is back to Newton's 2nd law. Your DE is wrong, and your thinking about static friction is in error. Please try again.
 
In light of your post, I figured this:
At x=A0, the block is at rest, so the forces acting on it must be balanced. Thus, -kx=umg, and at A0, -kA0=umg, so solving for A0 gives: A0=-umg/k

Am I on the right track now?
 
Wouldn't A0 be positive since the question indicates A0 > 0 ?
 

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