How is there no net force in this situation

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a man pushing a piano down an inclined ramp at a constant velocity. The scenario includes a mass of 190 kg and an incline of 17.0 degrees, with the stipulation to neglect friction.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the forces acting on the piano, questioning why there is no acceleration despite the presence of a force in the positive x direction. They discuss the implications of neglecting friction and the necessity for the man's pushing force to match the gravitational component along the incline.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants raising insightful questions about the balance of forces and the conditions for constant velocity. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to consider force components in different directions to analyze the situation effectively.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that while friction is neglected, it does not imply its absence, leading to further exploration of the assumptions made in the problem statement. The need to clarify the direction of the applied force is also highlighted.

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Homework Statement


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A man pushes on a piano with mass 190 kg ; it slides at constant velocity down a ramp that is inclined at 17.0 ∘ above the horizontal floor. Neglect any friction acting on the piano.

A. Calculate the magnitude of the force applied by the man if he pushes parallel to the incline.

Homework Equations


Sum of forces = maMy question is not regarding the solution. I'm aware that the solution is mgsin(theta) but my question is how come there is no acceleration, yet there is only one force in the positive x direction since it says there is no friction. And why does the man push exactly as hard as the component of gravity in the x direction? I can see where the answer comes from, just not why.
 
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There is a normal force from the ramp even if there is no friction.
 
I also can not figure out why the man has to push with a force equal to the component of weight. One insight though is that they have asked to neglect friction which does not mean friction is not present. If a net force is acting then it can not move with constant velocity.
 
Rasiel said:

Homework Statement


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A man pushes on a piano with mass 190 kg ; it slides at constant velocity down a ramp that is inclined at 17.0 ∘ above the horizontal floor. Neglect any friction acting on the piano.

A. Calculate the magnitude of the force applied by the man if he pushes parallel to the incline.

Homework Equations


Sum of forces = maMy question is not regarding the solution. I'm aware that the solution is mgsin(theta) but my question is how come there is no acceleration, yet there is only one force in the positive x direction since it says there is no friction. And why does the man push exactly as hard as the component of gravity in the x direction? I can see where the answer comes from, just not why.
What in the question statement tells you the direction of the applied force? I see no direction given other than that it's parallel to the incline...
 
Kajal Sengupta said:
One insight though is that they have asked to neglect friction which does not mean friction is not present.
It means you are supposed to treat the problem as if it was not present.

Kajal Sengupta said:
If a net force is acting then it can not move with constant velocity.

Exactly. So you need to figure out how hard the man has to push in order for there to be no net force. You have two unknowns, the magnitude of the normal force and the magnitude of the applied force. You need to make sure that all of the force components are zero and so you have two equations to determine your two unknowns.

Hint: It is easier if you consider the force equations in the direction parallel and perpendicular to the plane, respectively.
 

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