How Is Thermo Efficiency Calculated in a Monatomic Gas Cycle?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the thermodynamic efficiency of a cycle involving an ideal monatomic gas, specifically focusing on the energy transferred by heat and the efficiency of the engine operating within the cycle.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of work done (W) and the heat transferred (Q) in the cycle, with some attempting to clarify the definitions of energy intake and energy cost. Questions arise regarding how to determine the efficiency based on the given parameters.

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Some participants have made progress in calculating work and heat flow, while others are exploring the relationships between these quantities. There is an ongoing examination of the signs associated with heat flow and the implications for efficiency calculations.

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Participants note a lack of specificity in the problem statement regarding the definitions of energy intake and energy cost, which influences their calculations and understanding of the efficiency. The discussion also highlights the need to consider the direction of heat flow in relation to the First Law of Thermodynamics.

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Homework Statement


Figure P22.53 represents n mol of an ideal monatomic
gas being taken through a cycle that consists of two
isothermal processes at temperatures 3Ti and Ti and two
constant-volume processes. For each cycle, determine, in terms of n, R, and Ti , (a) the net energy transferred
by heat to the gas and (b) the efficiency of an engine
operating in this cycle.

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Now, I've solved part a), and get W = 2nRTln2 (difference between top and bottom portions), can't get part b). I know that efficiency = energy sought/ energy cost = W/Q_h, but they don't really specify in the question where the energy intake is, or energy cost. The answer is 0.273... I've found that for each cycle:
the sides both equal dU = dQ = 3nRT, the top Q = 3nRTln2, bottom Q = nRTln2. Seems like the 'energy cost' based on e = .273 and W = 2nRTln2 should be 3+3ln2, no idea how that comes about though... perhaps somehow the 'cost' is over the top and side??

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AriAstronomer said:

The Attempt at a Solution


Now, I've solved part a), and get W = 2nRTln2 (difference between top and bottom portions), can't get part b). I know that efficiency = energy sought/ energy cost = W/Q_h, but they don't really specify in the question where the energy intake is, or energy cost. The answer is 0.273... I've found that for each cycle:
the sides both equal dU = dQ = 3nRT, the top Q = 3nRTln2, bottom Q = nRTln2. Seems like the 'energy cost' based on e = .273 and W = 2nRTln2 should be 3+3ln2, no idea how that comes about though... perhaps somehow the 'cost' is over the top and side??
Determine the direction of the heat flow in each part of the graph. To do that you must be careful about the sign. Heat flow into the gas is positive. Heat flow out is negative. Total heat flow in is Qh. Total heat flow out is Qc. What is W in terms of Qh and Qc? From that you should be able to determine efficiency.

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Alright. Makes sense. W = Q_h - Q_l, and Q_h is all the positive contributions to the work, while Q_l is all the negative ones. When I do my calculations, I get the first two legs coming out positive, and the second two legs coming out negative, thus Q_h = 3nRT + 3nRTln2. Thanks Andrew.

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AriAstronomer said:
Alright. Makes sense. W = Q_h - Q_l, and Q_h is all the positive contributions to the work, while Q_l is all the negative ones. When I do my calculations, I get the first two legs coming out positive, and the second two legs coming out negative, thus Q_h = 3nRT + 3nRTln2.
Generally correct. Strictly speaking Qh, being heat flow, consists of all the positive contributions to the heat flow, not the work. (This heat flow enables greater work to be done in the expansion phase).

You can determine the direction of heat flow qualitatively from the First Law. A constant volume increase in pressure requires heat flow into the gas (dQ = dU > 0). An isothermal expansion requires heat flow in (dQ = dW > 0).

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