How Large Can a Planet be and Still Have Earth's Mass?

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The discussion centers on the maximum size a planet can be while maintaining Earth's mass, emphasizing that this depends on the planet's density and composition. A planet composed entirely of low-density materials, such as ice, could be larger than Earth, but specific conditions must be met for life to exist. The calculations involve Newton's Law of Gravitation, where surface acceleration is influenced by the planet's density and radius. The uncertainty in Earth's uncompressed density complicates estimations for larger planets of similar mass. Ultimately, the conversation highlights that the density and compressibility of materials at high pressures are crucial factors in determining the size of a solid planet with Earth's mass.
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Question: Just as in the title. How large can a planet be and still have the Earth's mass? Obviously, this depends on its composition, just as long as it's solid and life can exist on it.
 
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It depends on the density. Lower density means a bigger planet and vice versa.
 
Yae Miteo said:
Question: Just as in the title. How large can a planet be and still have the Earth's mass? Obviously, this depends on its composition, just as long as it's solid and life can exist on it.

Your question is very vague. Define "solid". What "life" do you have in mind?
 
If a planet were composed entirely of ice [highly improbable], it would be less than 2 Earth diameters in size.
 
Chronos said:
If a planet were composed entirely of ice [highly improbable], it would be less than 2 Earth diameters in size.

I would call that a 'comet.'
 
Okay, basically, "How large can a planet be and still be suitable for humans, i.e. not have an excessive gravitational pull. (no more than say, 10% greater than earth's)"
 
Newton's Law of Gravitation:
F = G*M1*M2/r^2
The surface acceleration of a planet (M2) is:
g = G*m2/r^2
but m2 = (4/3)*pi*r^3*d where d is the average density of the planet
so g = (4/3)*G*pi*r*d

Choose your favorite g and d and solve for r.
 
tadchem said:
Newton's Law of Gravitation:
F = G*M1*M2/r^2
The surface acceleration of a planet (M2) is:
g = G*m2/r^2
but m2 = (4/3)*pi*r^3*d where d is the average density of the planet
so g = (4/3)*G*pi*r*d

Choose your favorite g and d and solve for r.

You cannot. d is NOT independent on g, nor r.

And no one knows the density of Earth!
Sure, the compressed one is known to three figures from Cavendish experiment. But the uncompressed one...

http://books.google.ee/books?id=b6BRNJEkq2EC&pg=PA51&lpg=PA51&dq=Earth+"uncompressed+density

confidently claims 4,0

http://books.google.ee/books?id=NMFLKD48d0AC&pg=PA10&lpg=PA10&dq="uncompressed+density"+Earth

as confidently claims range 4,4 to 4,5

Thus, the compressibility of Earth is unknown by half - which should mean 25 % uncertainty in sound speed. Well, earthquake waves should be better measured.

You thus have no means of estimating the compressed density of a planet bigger than Earth. Even if Earth compressibility were known, you would have no idea what the compressibility does at pressures slightly higher than those present and observed inside Earth.
 
I fail to see how this is relevant, snorkack.
 
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Chronos said:
I fail to see how this is relevant, snorkack.

Highly relevant.
The question:
how big can an Earth mass solid planet be?
reduces to the question
how low density can Earth mass solid planet have?
And that depends on the compressibility of stone at high pressures.
 
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snorkack said:
Highly relevant.
The question:
how big can an Earth mass solid planet be?
reduces to the question
how low density can Earth mass solid planet have?
And that depends on the compressibility of stone at high pressures.

I'm not as familiar as others are with the above math, but wouldn't you have much less compression of material in a decreased density planet?
 
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Does a hypothetical planet HAVE to be stone?
Low density solids include H2O (917 kg/m3) - NH3 (817 kg/m3) - CH4 (423 kg/m3) - methane clathrate (900 kg/m3) - ammonium hydroxide (880 kg/m3) - all of which can be abundant enough in planetary space to form an earth-mass planet. These can be taken as an estimate to the lower limit of the density of a hypothetical solid planet.
These densities ignore compressibility (currently not known for most materials at the pressures developed inside an earth-sized planet). Compression will not change the mass of the planet, only its overall density, reducing the diameter.
Under extreme pressures, ice has a density of about 1300 kg/m3 (Ice XII, 800 MPa). A spherical body with this average density would have a radius 12.3% smaller than a spherical body of the same mass and the density of regular ice.
Rock is even less compressible than water or ice.
 
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