How many atoms in a human cell?

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The discussion centers on estimating the number of atoms that can fit inside a human cell. A typical human cheek cell is estimated to have a volume of about 10^-13 m³, leading to calculations that suggest it contains around 10^16 atoms. This figure is considered conservative by some participants, with further estimates suggesting that a human cell could contain approximately 200 trillion atoms, based on comparisons to the number of stars in the Milky Way. The conversation also touches on the composition of the human body, noting that it consists of trillions of cells, with a significant portion being non-human cells, such as bacteria. The density and atomic makeup of cells are discussed, highlighting that most of the body's mass is water and organic compounds. Participants debate the complexities of modeling cellular interactions and the challenges of simulating atomic behavior within cells, emphasizing the intricate nature of biological systems and the limitations of current technology in fully understanding these processes.
  • #31
DaveC426913 said:
Note that the chart I attached highlights two points: the most abundant element in the body that has no known role (Rubiduim - .68g) and least abundant element in the body that a known role (Vanadium - 0.11mg).

According to the chart, there's less uranium in us than vanadium, so does that mean uranium has a biological role?
 
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  • #32
leroyjenkens said:
According to the chart, there's less uranium in us than vanadium, so does that mean uranium has a biological role?

You're reading it wrong. Vanadium is the least element in the body that has a known biological role. Thus, anything below Vanadium has no known biological role.
 
  • #33
DaveC426913 said:
You're reading it wrong. Vanadium is the least element in the body that has a known biological role. Thus, anything below Vanadium has no known biological role.

Oh ok, the top one said no known biological role and I guess I thought the bottom one said the same thing.
 
  • #34
Hi Guys

FYI the number of nuclear disintegrations from the different elements produced a surprise or two when I computed them - carbon-12 and potassium-40 are the most common unstable isotopes in the body and produce 15,000 decays per second combined. The uranium and thorium only produce a hand-full per second.
 
  • #35
DaveC426913 said:
True, though not in volume or mass.

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That oxygen dominants by weight is a surprise to me.

For the volumes I think they are comparing gaseous hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen to solid calcium and carbon. Not quite sporting.
 
  • #36
can we manipulate atoms configuration within a cell? As all of us know most of the activities of a healthy cell is within the nucleus where the DNA and all the information is stored. This is a complex machine and am sure (to the best of my knowledge), the current technology is not able to unwrap its formula yet. That is, the underestanding of how atoms can communicate with each other which are the basic building block of this complex machine. By using the multiscale modeling can we model the cell and all the complex chemical events that take place as the result of let us say when a man sees a beatiful woman. Are we there yet. I know a comprehensive modeling of each atom within a cell, taking into the consideration the chemistry/electrons interactions is almsot impossible. May be the fine grain techniques could help us to model this complex system. Any help in that matter is appreciated.
 
  • #37
farahmand said:
As all of us know most of the activities of a healthy cell is within the nucleus where the DNA and all the information is stored.

No, it really isn't.

farahmand said:
This is a complex machine and am sure (to the best of my knowledge), the current technology is not able to unwrap its formula yet.

I'm not sure what that means. But we did map the complete genome 7 years ago, so I *think* I disagree:
http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/home.shtml

farahmand said:
That is, the underestanding of how atoms can communicate with each other which are the basic building block of this complex machine.

Atoms really don't communicate with each other. They're just atoms. And the information stored in DNA is far larger than atoms -- it takes perhaps a hundred atoms to convey just 1 bit of information. (Anyone want to add that up for me? Could be a few hundred, don't know how much sugar there is in the backbone.)

farahmand said:
By using the multiscale modeling can we model the cell and all the complex chemical events that take place as the result of let us say when a man sees a beatiful woman.

That has everything to do with synapses and (almost) nothing to do with DNA or atoms inside the nucleus.

farahmand said:
I know a comprehensive modeling of each atom within a cell, taking into the consideration the chemistry/electrons interactions is almsot impossible.

Right. Simulating quantum systems of more than a few dozen atoms is hard.The current state of the art is simulating small brains (cats, most recently) with point-models of synapses. A fuller model of synapses would take more computational power than is feasible at the moment. An atomic-scale *classical* model won't be feasible for a long time. A full quantum simulation will probably never be possible.
 
  • #38
Thanks for all the good information that you provided including the links. As a material scientists, when material is missing an atom (called vacancy) or line dislocation, it can change the material properties. I assume the same thing is true with regard to human cell. It is true that here we are talking about molecules when dealing with the DNA, but a molecule is nothing but the combination and interaction of atoms. So when you said "Atoms really don't communicate with each other", it bothers me (I am not saying you are wrong). I really don't have a good feeling how the mechanism of communication works within a cell? Many thanks for your previous response
 
  • #39
There are 1 godzillion. That's more cells than Godzilla is big :)
 

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