How Many Electrons Needed to Balance Gravitational Force Between Two Balls?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the number of electrons needed to balance the gravitational force between two 100 kg balls positioned 5 meters apart using electric force. Participants explore the relationship between gravitational and electric forces in this context.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants examine the setup of the problem, questioning whether the gravitational force should be balanced by an electric force and whether the charges should be of the same or opposite sign. There is also discussion about the implications of the forces being attractive versus repulsive.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and clarifications about the nature of the forces involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the problem, particularly about the forces acting on the balls and the assumptions made by the original poster.

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There is some ambiguity regarding the intended setup of the problem, particularly whether the balls are suspended or free-floating, which affects the interpretation of the forces at play.

devanlevin
2 balls with a mass of 100kg are at a distance of 5m from one another, how many electrons need to be moved from one to the other in order to balance the gravitational force by an electric force,

from what i understand, we have 2 neutral balls of the same mass, and i need to find out how much electric charge is needed to balance one of these balls with mg, i suppose the other is attached to the ceiling or something to prevent it from falling.

whatever the ones charge is the others will be its negative

mg=[k(q1*q2)]/r^2
since q1 and q2 are the same
mg=[k(q^2)]/r^2
q^2=(mg)(r^2/k)
q=[(mg)(r^2/k)]^0.5

q^2=[(100*9.8)(25/9*10^9)]=2.72*10^-6
q=1.65*10^-3 c

now q is the charge of the balls, positive and negative,
what i must do now is divide my total charge by the charge of a single electron (1.6*10^-19) and ill get the amount of electrons, only this doesn't seem to be working for me, where have i gone wrong??

the final answer is 5.38*10^10 electrons
 
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devanlevin said:
2 balls with a mass of 100kg are at a distance of 5m from one another, how many electrons need to be moved from one to the other in order to balance the gravitational force by an electric force,

Are you sure about that wording? The gravitational force between them is attractive, and if you make one charged +q and one charged -q, that will also generate an attractive force. How can you balance two attractive forces. Maybe the question just asks how much charge has to be moved to make the two forces equal (but not opposite)?
 
They don't want the electrical force to balance mg. Assume both of the balls are attached to the ceiling. They want the electrical force to cancel the gravitational force BETWEEN the balls. I.e. Gm*m/r^2.
 
Dick said:
They don't want the electrical force to balance mg. Assume both of the balls are attached to the ceiling. They want the electrical force to cancel the gravitational force BETWEEN the balls. I.e. Gm*m/r^2.

Yeah, I wasn't referring to mg (that would be a huge charge!). But even just the attraction between the two balls isolated in space... Seems like they would have to both have the same sign of excess charge, in order to generate a repulsive force. Sorry if I'm being dense here...
 
berkeman said:
Yeah, I wasn't referring to mg (that would be a huge charge!). But even just the attraction between the two balls isolated in space... Seems like they would have to both have the same sign of excess charge, in order to generate a repulsive force. Sorry if I'm being dense here...

Agreed. But I think the poster is picturing the problem as one ball suspending the other ball below it against the Earth's gravity. In which case the signs are ok, but the poster is working with the wrong force.
 

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