How many ways can I flip switch positions to make the motor stop

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The discussion revolves around determining the number of configurations for switch positions that can stop a motor, including the analysis of how different switch arrangements affect motor operation. Participants explore theoretical and practical aspects of circuit behavior, including the implications of short circuits.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that there are six configurations that can stop the motor, while others argue there are a total of 16 configurations, with only a few allowing the motor to turn.
  • A participant suggests starting by identifying which switch positions allow the motor to start to clarify which will stop it.
  • There is a discussion about representing the problem with a binary table, indicating switch positions and their corresponding motor states.
  • Participants analyze current flow through switches, discussing the implications of short circuits on motor operation.
  • One participant questions the impact of short circuits on the number of configurations that keep the motor running.
  • Another participant provides a visual representation of the configurations and discusses the correctness of their earlier claims.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the total number of configurations and their implications for motor operation. There is no consensus on the exact number of configurations that can stop the motor, and discussions about current flow and short circuits remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the need to consider short circuits when analyzing configurations, but the exact implications of these circuits on the total number of valid configurations are not fully resolved.

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There is a total of 16 configurations and only a few of them will let the engine turn.

Edit: Hmm, I missed the title of your thread before.
But there are more configurations than you mentioned.
 
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Hi FP :smile: !
Perhaps it would be a good starting point to determine which positions will allow the motor to start.
(also ILS alluded to this)
Once you have that, it should be clearer which positions will shut the motor off.

There is a total of 16 configurations and only a few of them will let the engine turn.
hmmm i wonder where ILS got 16 configs? [hint 2 positions, 4 switches]. Perhaps a useful way to represent this problem is with a binary table with switch & position as inputs and output: "motor ON/OFF"
 
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There is a total of 16 configurations and only a few of them will let the engine turn.

Edit: Hmm, I missed the title of your thread before.
But there are more configurations than you mentioned.

Oops, you're right!

hmmm i wonder where ILS got 16 configs? [hint 2 positions, 4 switches]. Perhaps a useful way to represent this problem is with a binary table with switch & position as inputs and output: "motor ON/OFF"

Fair enough

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/5904/motormode.jpg

How's that? :)
 
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Femme_physics said:
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/5904/motormode.jpg

How's that?

I like the table. :)

Let's take a look at the first line where you say the motor is turning.
That would be with switches 1,2,3 in position 1, and with switch 4 in position 2.

Can you say how the currents will flow?
 
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Nice drawing. :)

How about the current through switch 1?
Which current will be bigger, the current through switch 1 or the current through switch 2?
 
Well the current through the first switch meets no resistance, therefor it will be much higher. Hmm. Short circuit eh?
 
Yep. Short circuit.
I don't think there will be current left for the motor to turn. ;)

(Poor carton board men that are frying.)
 
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I agree. :) Is that the only blunder I made?
 
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Well, I haven't checked out all your switch-combinations.
How many will be left with the motor turning if you remove all short circuits?
 
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And another one bites the dust! ;)
All correct now.
 
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Good Job! :smile:
As you are learning in solving such questions, analyzing how a circuit functions is most important.
Once you've determined that, the rest follows more easily.

Your encoding is easy enough to follow. Another way to encode your table is in standard binary.
for example: on the input side, position1=0, position2=1. output side: motor off = 0, motor on = 1.
 
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