How much circuits knowledge is required for device physics?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the level of circuitry knowledge necessary for studying physical electronics and device/semiconductor physics at the graduate level. Participants explore the relevance of various circuit concepts and their applications in device physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that knowledge of how transistors are connected to form basic logic gates is essential for designing transistors and integrated circuit components.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of understanding basic amplifiers and differential amplifiers, as well as the use of transistors in active loads and constant current sources.
  • Some participants argue that basic circuit theory is sufficient, with one stating that only Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL) and Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL) are necessary, while others believe that more advanced concepts like two-port network theory are important for understanding device specifications.
  • A later reply mentions that reading relevant literature and books might be more beneficial than formal coursework in circuitry.
  • Another participant raises the importance of understanding manufacturer component sheets and the parameters presented, suggesting that this knowledge is crucial for practical applications in device physics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the necessary depth of circuitry knowledge, with some advocating for a comprehensive understanding of circuit design and others arguing that basic knowledge suffices. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact level of circuitry knowledge required.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions about the relevance of specific circuit concepts and their applications in device physics, indicating that the discussion is contingent on individual perspectives and experiences.

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Hey everyone, I'm graduating with my bachelor degree in physics soon and intend to study physical electronics and device/semiconductor physics in graduate school. I've taken the standard undergrad physics curriculum (quantum mech, stat mech, electromagnetism, circuits, experimental physics) with an emphasis in solid state physics and electives in electrical engineering and materials science.

My knowledge in circuitry only consists of mostly basic semiconductor circuits with little design experience. Would it be beneficial for me to take more circuitry classes before graduating to prepare me for this field in graduate school?
 
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if you're going to design transistors and integrated circuit components, you should know how transistors are hooked up to become basic logic gates in digital electronics. like NAND gates, NOR gates, NOT gates, a simple RS flip-flop, a D flip-flop (a.k.a. a "latch" or a single bit of memory). maybe understand more logic techniques like implementing a Boolean expression with gates and deriving a Boolean expression from a truth table.

and, for analog electronics, you should know how a basic amplifier works, how a differential amplifier works, how transistors are used for active loads (instead of resistors) of other transistors, and how transistors are used for constant current sources for differential amplifiers.

maybe look into rectifiers and power supplies (like how a Zener diode is used as a voltage reference).

those would be the most fundamental of circuits where your devices are one layer lower in terms of primitivity.
 
Knowing circuitry would be very useful. Though, this doesn't meana course. Reading papers like Elektor would be at least as good (well, I mean, far better). Books for amateurs exist as well, also better than a course.
 
Basic circuit theory is enough. Dont need to know graph theory, state theory, transfer function, pole-zero etc stuff.
 
In fact only KCL and KVL is enough. Rest is just material physics.
 
I'm really suprised no one mentioned two port network theory.

If you are working with device physics in the manufacture of components how would you do without it?

A good start would be to look at manufacturers component sheets and make sure you can understand all the parameters presented and their method of measurement and the test circuit used.

For instance a few examples

Rise Time
Fall (decay) time
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Tristate output leakage current
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@Studiot - Touche. Although you're right a detailed knowledge of two port network is not really needed. Isn't it? I mean the device specifications (hybrid parameters/model params) will always be there from the project spec. He just need to adjust the device so that the two port parameters come out correctly.
 

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