How much of the universe is in the form of electromagnetic radiation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the proportion of the universe's energy that exists in the form of electromagnetic radiation (EMR), particularly photons. Participants explore theoretical estimates, comparisons with other forms of energy, and the historical context of radiation in the universe.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the vast number of photons in the universe implies that EMR should constitute a significant portion of the universe's total energy.
  • Another participant counters that the energy from photons is insignificant compared to the total mass energy content of the universe.
  • A method for estimating the energy content of the cosmic microwave background (CMB) is proposed, involving calculations based on photon density and energy per photon.
  • It is noted that the universe has not been radiation dominated for over 13 billion years.
  • According to a popular cosmological model (Lambda-CDM), photons account for about 0.01% of the universe's energy, with baryonic matter, dark matter, and dark energy comprising larger portions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of EMR in the universe's energy content, with some arguing it is minimal while others suggest it could be more substantial. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact proportion and implications of EMR energy.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made regarding the calculations of energy content, and the discussion relies on specific cosmological models that may not encompass all perspectives.

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Can you make an educated guess on the amount of energy in the universe in the form of electromagnetic radiation (photons), considering the vast amount of photons moving in every direction throughout the vast universe, there is literally no point in the universe that you can be in and not observe photons coming from every direction around you, meaning most of the vacuum of space has EMR moving through it. I'm guessing it should add up to a really significant portion of all the available energy in the universe? Also how much energy do you think a sun like ours looses in EMR throughout it's life time?
 
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No, it is an insignificant amount in comparison to the energy content of the total mass content.

You can make a rough calculation from the peak energy of the cosmic background radiation (CMB), which represents the peak temperature (2.7 K) for a blackbody spectrum. For more on the CMB see:
http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/ast123/lectures/lec23.html

From the temperature you can calculate the energy of each photon, and then calculate the energy content per cubic meter of outer space from the density figures (~10^9 CMB photons per cubic meter).

Then compare it with the energy content of the particles in that same cubic meter - perhaps one hydrogen atom.

A good exercise in conversion of units of energy, and making physical estimates.
 
It's been a very long time since the universe was radiation dominated - over 13 billion years.
 
Photons contain about 0.01% of the energy of the universe according to the most popular modern cosmological model - the Lambda-CDM. For comparison, regular matter (baryonic matter) contains about 5%, dark matter contains about 25%, and dark energy about 70%. Other models are possible but that one seems to be the front runner at least for now. At any rate, the fraction of the universe's energy in the photons is minimal.
 

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