HOw much power is drawn from a one volt battery?

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The discussion revolves around a circuit problem involving a one-volt battery and bulbs with a resistance of one ohm each. Participants are trying to determine how much power is drawn from the battery while referencing a specific circuit diagram.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are attempting to apply Ohm's Law and circuit rules to derive equations related to the voltages and resistances in the circuit. There is a focus on rewriting equations in terms of voltages and questioning the correctness of certain assumptions about the circuit setup.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their equations and reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding substituting known values into the equations, and there is an exploration of different interpretations of the circuit elements. No consensus has been reached yet.

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Participants are working with specific assumptions about the circuit components, including the resistance values of the bulbs, and there is mention of combining certain bulbs into a single equivalent resistance. The original poster expresses difficulty in progressing through the equations.

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Homework Statement



each bulb in the circuit has a resistance of one ohm. how much power is drawn from the one volt battery?

to see the circuit diagram, click on this link:

it is problem 16 on page 123

To see the circuit diagram, go here:
http://www.lightandmatter.com/bk4c.pdf


GO to the link, scroll to page 123, and the diagram is problem 16.


Homework Equations



Ohms Law
Loop rule
Junction rule


The Attempt at a Solution



I have
D=B+E
A+B=C

and using Loop rule three times:
Va+Vc=1
Vd+Ve=1
Va=Vd+Vb

but i can't go on to solve the the five equatios cause i get lost. Can you help me?
 
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jersey said:

Homework Equations



Ohms Law
Loop rule
Junction rule

The Attempt at a Solution



I have
D=B+E
A+B=C
Since you know the resistances, you can rewrite these in terms of the voltages.

For example, D = Vd/Rd, etc.

. . . and using Loop rule three times:
Va+Vc=1
Vd+Ve=1
Va=Vd+Vb
Shouldn't that middle equation be
Vd + Ve + Vf = 1​
?
 
regarding the middle equation, i assumed e anf F to be one single bulb with a resistance of 2 ohms.

I'm not sure how to re wrie each in relation to volatge like you say? Can you help?
 
P=V^2/R for each.
 
jersey said:
regarding the middle equation, i assumed e anf F to be one single bulb with a resistance of 2 ohms.
Okay.
I'm not sure how to re wrie each in relation to volatge like you say? Can you help?
Sure.
From Ohm's law, we know the current through bulb D is
D = Vd / Rd​
So we can replace D in the equations with Vd/Rd instead.
I.e., instead of
D = B + E​
we get
Vd/Rd = B + E​
Then do the same for B and E.
 
Ok, so my new equations are:
Vd/Rd=B+E
Which becomes
Vd/Rd=Bd/Rb+Ve/Re
 
Yes, good. Here are two more things to do:

1. Since you know what Rd, Rb, and Re are, you might as well put those numbers into the equation.

2. Do the same thing for the A+B=C equation.

After doing those, try to solve for the 5 unknowns Va, Vb, etc.

I'm logging off for the night, so good luck.
 
Substituting Rd, Rb and Re = 1 into equation gives:
Vd/1=Bd/1+Ve/1


A+B=C
becomes ?

sorry, I'm trying!
 
jersey said:
Substituting Rd, Rb and Re = 1 into equation gives:
Vd/1=Bd/1+Ve/1
Okay, let's work some more with that equation before moving on.

Doesn't Re=2, since you have combined e and f into one single bulb with a resistance of 2 ohms?

What is "Bd"? I think you meant to write Vb there.

Also, a simpler way to write "Vd/1" would be ____?
 
  • #10
Vd^-1
 
  • #11
Redbelly98 said:
... a simpler way to write "Vd/1" would be ____?
jersey said:
Vd^-1
What? No. Look at these examples:

\frac{1}{1} = 1

\frac{2}{1} = 2

\frac{3}{1} = 3​

You're just dividing each number by 1, so you get the same number.

\frac{Vd}{1} \ = \ ?​
 
  • #12
sorry Vd/1 is the same as Vd
 
  • #13
Vd=Vb+Ve
 
  • #14
jersey said:
Vd=Vb+Ve
Almost. Just one little error to address:
Redbelly98 said:
Doesn't Re=2, since you have combined e and f into one single bulb with a resistance of 2 ohms?
 
  • #15
Vd=Vb+2Ve
 
  • #16
No, try again. Look at what you wrote in post #6.

I'm logging off for the night but will be back online tomorrow.
 

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