How much Schooling is there to become a Physicist or a surgeon?

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The discussion centers around the educational pathways for aspiring surgeons, particularly in neurology, and physicists, highlighting the extensive schooling required for both careers. For neurosurgeons, the path includes 3-5 years of undergraduate education, 4 years of medical school, a residency of 6 years, and optional additional training, totaling around 12 years post-undergrad. In contrast, a physicist's journey involves 3-5 years of undergraduate study, 4-10 years of graduate education, and typically 4-12 years of postdoctoral research, also averaging around 12 years post-undergrad. While both careers demand significant time and commitment, the discussion emphasizes that postdoctoral work in physics is not considered formal schooling, and individuals can begin working as physicists during this phase. The conversation reflects a broader consideration of the rigorous educational commitments required for these professions, without focusing on salary as a motivating factor.
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im just really curious...
at the moment I am roughly stuck in the middle as to whether i want to become a surgeon, neurology preferably, or a Physicist,im still not completely sure about which branch, but I am inclining towards a Molecular, Astronomical, or theoretical.
Wages and salary arent really a determining factor for me.
At the moment, I am in my junior year in high school, so i was just wondering how much schooling i would require...
thanks for the answers.
 
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You should be able to easily find this information, but here it is since I have it handy...
is that human of animal surgeon? I assume human...
I also assume this is in the US?
Physicist
Undergrad 3-5 years
grad 4-10 years
postdoc 4-12+ years

neurological surgeon
Undergrad 3-5 years
MD 4 years
phd (optional) 2-7 years
basic residency 6 years
research experience 0-2 years
fellowship (optional)(example:Endovascular Surgical Neuroradiology ) 1-2 years

Hope you enjoy quantum field theory or biochemistry or both.

http://www.rush.edu/professionals/gme/neurosurgery/faculty.html
 
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I've heard that it's an eight year residency to be a neurosurgeon, so with the four years of medical school that's 12 years out of undergrad. Grad school in physics usually five years, plus at least one two-year post doc (usually more, so let's average out and call it three). And then if you're one of those lucky few who gets a tenure-track faculty position, it's another five years before you have a fully secure job as a physicist. So that's also about twelve years out of undergrad, with the +/- 1 that we introduced.

I guess it's the same either way.
 
I don't think postdoctoral work is considered 'schooling'. Postdocs in physics could legitimately be called physicists.
 
Becoming a Surgeon would take a lot of schooling. My uncle is in his mid-30s and just finished his certifications and stuff. My cousin has a PhD, MS, and Bachelors at the age of 26 and already has published stuff and is currently a professor conducting research.
 
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