How on earth is this propelled?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the propulsion mechanisms of maglev trains, specifically comparing Electromagnetic Suspension (EMS) and Electrodynamic Suspension (EDS) systems. Participants explore how these systems operate and the principles behind their propulsion methods.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how propulsion is achieved in EMS and EDS systems, noting confusion from various sources.
  • Another participant suggests that both technologies could utilize the alternation of poles for propulsion, drawing a parallel to electric motors.
  • A participant claims to have clarified their understanding of EMS and EDS, stating that EDS uses pole alternation while EMS relies on attraction along a guideway.
  • It is mentioned that high-speed maglev systems in Germany and Japan utilize a long-stator linear synchronous motor for propulsion, with a visual analogy comparing it to an unrolled electric motor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the propulsion mechanisms, with some confusion remaining about the distinctions between EMS and EDS. Multiple competing views on the propulsion methods exist, and the discussion does not reach a consensus.

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Participants reference different sources and explanations, indicating potential inconsistencies in the information available about maglev propulsion systems. Some assumptions about the technologies may not be fully explored.

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Individuals interested in maglev technology, propulsion systems, and the underlying physics of electromagnetic systems may find this discussion informative.

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how on Earth is this propelled??

the usual system is this:

http://www.rtri.or.jp/rd/maglev/html/english/maglev_frame_E.html

where fields are created in in guideway walls to propell the train...

amazing stuff.

BUT


http://www.bwmaglev.com/technology/default.htm

Its easy to see how attracting magnets can make the train levitate... but how is it propelled??


One is called Electromagnetic Suspension... (EMS) and the other is electrodynamic suspension (EDS).
I THINK that the first example is EDS and the second is EMS... if so, how are EMS systems propelled...?
The HowStuffWorks site is really inconsistant in its explanation and has only served to confuse me more.

does anyone actually get this?
 
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I'm not sure I get the distinction between the two technologies, but is there any reason why they don't both use alternation of poles for propulsion?

It's identical to how an electric motor is set rotating. Take an electric motor and unroll it like it were a sleeping bag and you have a maglev train. The rotor will scoot along the stator.
 
i've got it now it think... been pouring over it for 3 hours solid...

this is how EMS works: http://www.maglevpa.com/tech.html

this is how EDS works: http://www.rtri.or.jp/rd/maglev/html/english/maglev_frame_E.html (look under Principles of MagLev)

fascinating stuff!

one uses the alternation of poles (EDS) and the other uses attraction along a guideway. simple once you've got head round it.
Thanks anyway!
 
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The high-speed maglev systems in Germany and Japan both use the same approach to propulsion: it's called a long-stator linear synchronous motor. DaveC426913 compared it to taking "an electric motor and unroll[ing] it like it were a sleeping bag," and that's a good visual, but there are more technical expanations that are better in the long run.

There's a good discussion of this at www.dot.state.co.us/publications/maglev/inductionmotors.pdf, starting on page 14 (document page 8).
 

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