How the x-ray diffractometer caculate the lattice constant or miller indices?

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The discussion centers on the methods used by x-ray diffractometers to calculate lattice constants and Miller indices from XRD data, particularly in the context of orthorhombic structures. Participants explore the relationship between the observed data and the underlying structural parameters.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states Bragg's law and the relationship between d, Miller indices (h, k, l), and lattice constants (a, b, c), questioning how the diffractometer resolves these unknowns from a single equation.
  • Another participant asserts that the diffractometer provides only counts and corresponding 2θ values, not the hkl or abc values directly.
  • A participant seeks clarification on how to determine h, k, l and a, b, c from XRD data for orthorhombic structures.
  • One participant describes a general approach where knowledge of the material's elements allows matching observed spectra with known compounds, which aids in determining phase formation and structural parameters.
  • It is suggested that if some structural information is known a priori, equations can be used to predict 2θ values for given hkl values, facilitating the identification of corresponding peaks.
  • Another participant notes that modifications to abc and α, β, γ values can improve the match between predicted and experimental peak positions, indicating a need for iterative adjustments.
  • One participant highlights that impurities or electronic interactions can cause deviations from ideal structures, necessitating adjustments in structural parameters to align with experimental data.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how the diffractometer determines structural parameters, with no consensus on a single method or approach. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of the calculation process.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the complexity of the extraction process and the potential need for software assistance, indicating that the procedure can be tedious and may require additional adjustments based on experimental observations.

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Bragg's law n.lambda=2d sin theta. d=1/{h^2/a^2+k^2/b^2+l^2/c^2} for orthorombic structure.

thus d=n.lambda/2 sin theta=1/{h^2/a^2+k^2/b^2+l^2/c^2}
lambda and theta are given.

Look, there are two types/sets of unknowns in the d formula, they are miller indices h, k, l and lattice constant a, b, c. Normally the x-ray diffractometer analysis would give the significant theta according to the count, and also the h, k l and a, b, c. Now I wonder what method the machine has used to figure out the h, k, l and a, b, c?there are two sets of unknown remember?how it is solved by using only one equation?

Looking forward for experts answers...
thanks
 
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Now I wonder what method the machine has used to figure out the h, k, l and a, b, c?
Diffractometer only gives you the counts and the corresponding 2\theta. It does not give you the hkl or abc.
 
abhi2005singh said:
Diffractometer only gives you the counts and the corresponding 2\theta. It does not give you the hkl or abc.

is that so. Do you know how to determine h, k, l and a, b, c from the XRD data for orthorombic sturcture?
help please...
 
The general approach for extraction of structure information from the XRD data is that you know what elements you have in your material. Then match the observed spectra with that of the various compounds of that element. This gives you the information about the phase formation along with the abc and hkl values.

If you already have some information about the structure (by following above procedure or a priori), then you can use the equations (as given by you) to predict the 2\theta values for given hkl values. This way you can identify as to which peak corresponds which reflection plane. More accurate values are obtained by modifying the abc and \alpha \beta \gamma values in such a way that you get the peak positions matching with the experimental spectra.

More things can also be done, but I guess this suffices for your needs.

All of this procedure can be quite tedious. There are softwares available to do the job.
 
abhi2005singh said:
The general approach for extraction of structure information from the XRD data is that you know what elements you have in your material. Then match the observed spectra with that of the various compounds of that element. This gives you the information about the phase formation along with the abc and hkl values.

If you already have some information about the structure (by following above procedure or a priori), then you can use the equations (as given by you) to predict the 2\theta values for given hkl values. This way you can identify as to which peak corresponds which reflection plane. More accurate values are obtained by modifying the abc and \alpha \beta \gamma values in such a way that you get the peak positions matching with the experimental spectra.

More things can also be done, but I guess this suffices for your needs.

All of this procedure can be quite tedious. There are softwares available to do the job.

please explain more on the \alpha\beta\gamma modification please
 
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Most of the times introduction of impurity atoms or due to the other electronic interaction, the structure of the material can deviate from the ideal structure we read in the books. This generally leads to stretching/bending of bonds and bond angles. Such changes may lead to the changes in the angles. This information is available in the XRD spectra of those materials. You need to make changes accordingly in the input values of abc and \alpha\beta\gamma and try to reproduce the experimental spectra.
 

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