How to Accurately Measure Backscattered Beta Particles?

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The discussion revolves around designing an experiment to measure the number of beta particles that are backscattered after interacting with a foil. The focus is on how the thickness of the foil and the proton number of the foil material affect this measurement, using Sr-90 as the beta particle source.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines an experimental setup involving a GM tube to measure backscattered beta particles, noting concerns about collisions between emitted and backscattered particles affecting measurements.
  • Another participant suggests placing the source far away and using a shutter to control the timing of emissions, allowing for the detector to be positioned after the particles are emitted.
  • A follow-up question is raised regarding the speed of beta particles and the practical considerations of timing for moving the detector and operating the shutter.
  • Another participant introduces a different perspective, questioning the initial concern about collisions and instead focusing on the rate of beta particle production and the distance they travel in relation to the timing of measurements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the primary challenges of the experiment, with some focusing on the issue of particle collisions and others questioning the relevance of this concern. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to accurately measure backscattered beta particles.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include uncertainties about the rate of beta particle emission, the distances involved, and the timing of the experimental setup, which may affect the accuracy of measurements.

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I am designing an experiment to investigate how the number of beta particles scattered backwards depends on the thickness of a foil and the proton number of the foil material.I have decided on the source Sr-90 for beta emissions.i know what to do to. I will have the beta particles fired at the foil and place a GM tube next to the source to get the number of particles scattered backwards. i will change the thickness of the foil, and would also change the type of foil (aluminum, tin and some other material). but my only problem is that when beta particles are going to scatter backwards they are going to collide with the ones being emitted so therefore will not be recorded properly as they will scatter in all directions how will i overcome this problem?.
 
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Place your source very far away, and control when it let's things out with a shutter. Then you'll have time to move your detector in place after the source shoots out particles, but before the particles bounce back.:devil:
 
thanks another question arent beta particles fast? how much further should i place it and how much time will i take to open the shutter close it and bring the GM infront of the source?:confused:
 
Normally, I wouldn't respond, because, as you said, you are designing an experiment.

There is a trick to this measurement, but it's not the problem you describe - beta particles colliding with each other. How many beta particles per second are you producing? How far does one travel in that time? How often do you expect collisions?
 

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