How to Analyze a Balanced Three Phase Star Load Diagram?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around analyzing a balanced three-phase star load diagram, focusing on the correct reference phasor and the relationships between line and phase voltages. Participants are exploring the implications of using different reference angles in their calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant shares their calculations and seeks feedback on their approach.
  • Another participant suggests that the reference phasor should yield a defined angle of zero degrees for VAB, rather than 30 degrees, and discusses the implications for other voltages.
  • A participant acknowledges a mistake in their initial understanding and clarifies that VAB should be set to 0 degrees, with corresponding adjustments to VBC and VCA.
  • There is a discussion about how the phase voltage relates to the line voltage and the need to shift angles consistently across the phasor diagram.
  • One participant confirms the standard angles for a star configuration and discusses the effect of shifting the entire phasor diagram by a certain angle.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to use VAB as the reference phasor at 0 degrees, but there is some uncertainty regarding the implications of the phase voltage and the correct angles for other voltages. The discussion includes corrections and refinements, indicating that multiple interpretations exist.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in understanding the relationships between line and phase voltages, as well as the assumptions made about reference angles. There are unresolved aspects regarding the calculations and the specific values of phase voltages.

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Individuals interested in electrical engineering, particularly those studying three-phase systems and phasor analysis, may find this discussion relevant.

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It's a bit of a pain having to follow links to question bodies. Consider loading your pics to PF rather than some other image hosting site, and including them in the post body (via the "Go Advanced" editing frame where icons on the frame give you the ability).

The only issue I'd have with your results as shown is that the question asks you to use VAB as the reference phasor for the calculations, which should, I think, yield a "defined" angle for VAB of zero degrees rather than 30°. The other voltages would then similarly be shifted by -30° for part (a), and would carry through to the voltages calculated for part (b) and currents for part (c).
 
Hi Neil

Sorry will do that in the future.

Yeah usually the ref is 0 degrees agreed.
But in this question the line voltage is not given but the phase voltage Vao.
So given that information I have tried to work it out.
Also the line voltage leads the phase voltage by 30 degrees.

Could be wrong
 
I am wrong sorry, yes it has asked me to use vab as a reference.
So vab=0 degrees
Vbc -120 degrees
Vca 120 degrees
Whats the phase voltage?
 
DunceKirchhoff said:
I am wrong sorry, yes it has asked me to use vab as a reference.
So vab=0 degrees
Vbc -120 degrees
Vca 120 degrees
Whats the phase voltage?

For VAO', VBO' and VCO' you can just shift their normal values by the same -30°. Confirm by re-calculating VAB etc., from them to see that the resulting angles match what you got for part (a).
 
So basically I have put vab, vbc and vca where vao, vbo and vco should be? And the phase angle is -30 instead of 30?
 
DunceKirchhoff said:
So basically I have put vab, vbc and vca where vao, vbo and vco should be? And the phase angle is -30 instead of 30?

Previously you had:
##V_{AO'} = 100\ ∠\ 0°##
##V_{BO'} = 100\ ∠ -120°##
##V_{CO'} = 100\ ∠ \ 120°##

which I believe is a "standard" set of angles for the lines of a star configuration. Now you want to have the voltages VAB, etc., come out having the desired set of angles where VAB has an angle of zero degrees. Those angles were determined in part (a).

Since all the various relative angles are fixed on a phasor diagram, if you had to shift VAB by -30° to make it the zero degree reference then ALL the angles will shift by the same amount. It's equivalent to rotating the whole phasor diagram by 30°. So if you were to subtract 30° from each of the above you should find that if you recalculate VAB etc. from VAO' VBO' and VCO', the angles will turn out to match the ones from part (a).
 
Ok thanks I got you. Well explained.
 

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