How to calculate average velocity

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The discussion revolves around calculating the average velocity of water in a river that flows parabolically, with specific velocities at the banks and the center. Participants explore the implications of the parabolic shape and the necessary equations to derive average velocity, as well as the angle a swimmer should take to cross the river.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the velocity profile of the river as parabolic, with a maximum velocity at the center and a velocity V at the banks.
  • Another participant questions the assumptions made regarding the type of parabola and the lack of a specific equation, suggesting that calculus is only applicable if the equation is provided.
  • Concerns are raised about the physical accuracy of the velocity values, particularly the claim that the speed next to the banks is zero due to friction, which contradicts the initial description.
  • Participants discuss setting up a quadratic equation to model the velocity across the river, emphasizing the need to define the parabola correctly and the implications of boundary conditions.
  • One participant proposes that the swimmer's best strategy is not to maintain a constant angle, indicating a potential complexity in the swimming dynamics.
  • A later reply suggests that the three velocities provided may not be necessary for solving the problem, implying that the lack of numerical relationships could simplify the analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the assumptions regarding the velocity profile and the implications of the parabolic shape. There is no consensus on the correct approach to solving the problem, and multiple competing perspectives remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the provided information, such as the lack of a specific parabolic equation and the assumptions about velocity at the banks. The relationship between the parameters remains unresolved, and the implications of viscosity on the velocity profile are contested.

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The velocity of a river varies parabolicly with V adjacent to the banks and max velocity d halfway betwee the banks. The flow of river is parallel to the bank.

The width of the river is x.

How do you calculate the average velocity?
 
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Have you studied calculus yet?
 
Hi

I have.

This is complicated because the question does not state what type of parabola ie its eqn so I don't know what assumptions can be made. Calculus would only be relevant if the eqn is given.

Unless i am missing something obvious.

Thanks in advance for any help.
 
what's the water speed next to the banks?
 
water speed next to banks = V
water speed in center of river = d
speed of river is parabolic with distance across river
distance across river=x
The rest of the question for completeness is given this info what id the angle A needed for the swimmer who swims with speed w to swim directly across to the other side of the bank?
 
That's strange. Due to friction (viscosity) the speed next to the banks is zero and reaches the maximum value half-way across the river. However, according to your data the situation is just the opposite. Could you please check whether the data you gave in the OP is OK?
 
elite2
Have you tried to set up the quadratic equation?
I'll try to get you started, let's pick some better symbols:
Let x be your independent variable for position across lake.
Let x=0 be center of lake.
Let v1 represent velocity at river bank.
Let v2 represent velocity at center of river.
Let V(x) be your dependent variable for velocity.

Now come up with a formula for V(x).
Is parabola concave up or down?
What will V(0) be?.
What x value gives you velocity v1 (in terms of V2 and V1).
 
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Gordianus said:
Due to friction (viscosity) the speed next to the banks is zero and reaches the maximum value half-way across the river. However, according to your data the situation is just the opposite.
Parabolic with x does not necessarily mean the min or max is at x = 0. It was stated that the max is in the middle.

elite 2, do you understand that a parabola means it's a quadratic function of x? V and D should allow you to infer a relationship between the parameters, but not the whole equation exactly. Perhaps that's enough to answer the question.

Btw, the swimmer's best strategy is not to maintain a constant angle, but that's a different question.
 
haruspex said:
Parabolic with x does not necessarily mean the min or max is at x = 0. It was stated that the max is in the middle.
These are just standard boundary conditions. A real flow will have zero velocity at the banks. But it doesn't matter. If this is just a math problem, you can put any velocity you want.

A parabola is completely determined by 3 values, which you have. Write an equation for a general parabola and set up 3 equations in 3 unknowns for the coefficients. Solve, and you have the equation you can integrate over.
 
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I think i have solved it. The angle is 45 degrees.

The 3 velocities i think are a red herring. Since no actual values are given ie no actual numerical relationship between x and velocity.

Elite2
 

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