How to calculate divergence of some special fields

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The discussion focuses on calculating the divergence of the vector field \(\frac{\vec e_r}{r^2}\) in spherical coordinates and its connection to the Dirac delta function. Participants explore theoretical implications, mathematical derivations, and the challenges posed by singularities in the context of electrostatics.

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  • One participant presents the divergence of \(\frac{\vec e_r}{r^2}\) and relates it to the Dirac delta function, suggesting that it equals \(4\pi \delta(\vec r)\) based on Gauss' Theorem.
  • Another participant points out that \(\frac{r^2}{r^2}\) approaches infinity at \(r=0\), raising concerns about the validity of the divergence calculation at that point.
  • A subsequent post reiterates the issue with \(\frac{r^2}{r^2}\) at \(r=0\) and questions how to derive the integral result of 1 without performing integration, emphasizing the challenge of concluding that a function with a singularity is a delta function.
  • Another participant suggests using a limiting procedure to analyze the divergence as \(r\) approaches 0, indicating a potential method to resolve the issue.
  • One participant questions the initial steps taken in the divergence calculation, suggesting that they align with a definition of the delta function, which may not be properly addressed in the context of spherical coordinates.

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Participants express differing views on the treatment of singularities in the divergence calculation and the implications for the Dirac delta function. There is no consensus on how to resolve the mathematical challenges presented.

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Participants note limitations related to the treatment of singularities in spherical coordinates and the assumptions underlying the divergence calculations. The discussion remains open regarding the appropriate methods to connect the divergence to the Dirac delta function.

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\[<br /> \nabla \cdot \frac{{\vec e_r }}{{r^2 }} = 4\pi \delta (\vec r)<br /> \]<br />
This can be seen from\[<br /> \nabla \cdot \frac{{\vec e_r }}{{r^2 }} = \frac{1}{{r^2 }}\frac{\partial }{{\partial r}}(r^2 \cdot \frac{1}{{r^2 }}) = \frac{1}{{r^2 }}\frac{\partial }{{\partial r}}(1) = 0(r \ne 0)<br /> \]<br />
And from Gauss' Theorem\[<br /> \int_V {(\nabla \cdot \frac{{\vec e_r }}{{r^2 }})dV = \oint_S {\frac{{\vec e_r }}{{r^2 }} \cdot d\vec S} } = 4\pi <br /> \]<br />
But if I want to directly using the formula of divergence in spherical coordinates,I can only get\[<br /> \nabla \cdot \frac{{\vec e_r }}{{r^2 }} = \frac{1}{{r^2 }}\frac{\partial }{{\partial r}}(\frac{{r^2 }}{{r^2 }})<br /> \]<br />
And integrating this over a volume cannot give me the result of 4π\[<br /> \int_V {(\nabla \cdot \frac{{\vec e_r }}{{r^2 }})dV = } \int_0^\pi {\sin \theta d\theta \int_0^{2\pi } {d\phi \int_0^R {\frac{\partial }{{\partial r}}(\frac{{r^2 }}{{r^2 }})} } } dr = 4\pi \int_0^R {\frac{\partial }{{\partial r}}(\frac{{r^2 }}{{r^2 }})} dr<br /> \]<br />
(Here V is a sphere with radius of R)
So how can I connect it with Dirac Delta?
By the way,I post this here because this problem arises in the electrostatic field of a point charge and I found nothing about such thing in any book concerning δ(x).
 
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The problem is that \frac{r^2}{r^2}=\infty at r=0.
 
gabbagabbahey said:
The problem is that \frac{r^2}{r^2}=\infty at r=0.

So how can I get\[<br /> \int_0^R {\frac{\partial }{{\partial r}}(\frac{{r^2 }}{{r^2 }})} dr = 1<br /> \]<br />
Without integration,you cannot conclude some function with a singularity is δ(x)
 
Other than just using Gauss' Law, I suppose an appropriate limiting procedure can be used. I'd start with your expression for \mathbf{\nabla}\cdot\left(\frac{\textbf{e}_r}{r^2}\right) and calculate the limit of it as r\to 0
 
As you have seen \delta({\vec r}) is not easily treated in spherical coordinates.
What is wrong with your first two lines? They constitute one of the definitions of the delta function, which is as 'direct' as you can get.
 

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