How to Calculate Heater Gain for a Boiler?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the gain of a heater and boiler system for temperature control using a PID controller. Participants explore the challenges of designing such a system without prior knowledge of heat transfer or thermodynamics, particularly in the context of a 1KW heater.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidance on determining the gain of a heater and boiler system for temperature control, expressing a lack of knowledge in heat transfer and thermodynamics.
  • Another participant suggests that readily available immersion heaters with integrated temperature control systems could be a simpler solution, questioning the need for a custom design.
  • A third participant emphasizes the importance of adhering to safety codes in boiler design, cautioning against ad hoc designs by individuals lacking experience in the field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and feasibility of designing a custom boiler control system. There is no consensus on the approach to take, with some advocating for existing solutions and others supporting the inquiry into custom design.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations of the original poster's knowledge in heat transfer and thermodynamics, which may impact their ability to design a safe and effective system. Additionally, the absence of a datasheet for the heater adds uncertainty to the calculations needed for gain determination.

Jayanth D
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Hi

I am an electronics and communication engineer and hence doesn't know about heat transfer or termodynamics.

I need to design a system using PID where I need to control the temperature of water in a boiler by controlling AC power to boiler heater.

I don't have the datasheet of the heater. I want to find out the gain of the heater and boiler (with water). How to do this ?

Heater is 1KW.
 
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I don't quite understand . Immersion heaters with integrated temperature control systems are readily available at low cost . All you have to do is install them correctly and turn them on .

Tell us more about what you are doing ?
 
Boiler design and boiler control design are the subject of numerous safety codes. You should not be designing one on an ad hoc basis.
 
Jayanth D said:
Hi

I am an electronics and communication engineer and hence doesn't know about heat transfer or termodynamics.

I need to design a system using PID where I need to control the temperature of water in a boiler by controlling AC power to boiler heater.

I don't have the datasheet of the heater. I want to find out the gain of the heater and boiler (with water). How to do this ?

Heater is 1KW.
As already mentioned, there are standard units that do this already, and designing one on your own is not for someone who does not have experience with such systems and their safety. If you still want to discuss this in this thread, PM me and we can discuss what is necessary for the thread to be re-opened.
 

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