How to calculate power loss in transmission cables?

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The discussion revolves around calculating power loss in transmission cables, specifically comparing losses when transmitting electricity at different voltages (240V vs. 24000V). Participants explore the implications of Ohm's law and Joules' law on power loss calculations, addressing potential confusion regarding voltage definitions and resistance in the context of electrical transmission.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that power loss can be calculated using the formula I^2R and provides calculations for both voltage scenarios, suggesting less power loss at higher voltage.
  • Another participant clarifies that the voltage in the equation V^2/R refers to the voltage drop across the wire, not the full transmitted voltage, which may lead to confusion.
  • A third participant emphasizes that power loss is not equal to V^2/R because the voltage used in that equation does not represent the potential drop across the cables.
  • Further examples are provided, illustrating power loss calculations with different resistance values and power outputs, reinforcing the use of I^2R for determining losses.
  • One participant introduces a formula for power dissipation in transmission cables, discussing how to calculate cable loss per length based on ohmic loss and cross-sectional area.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of voltage in power loss calculations, leading to some confusion. There is no consensus on the implications of the equations presented, and multiple perspectives on the definitions and applications of the formulas remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note potential typographical errors in the original post, such as the resistance being stated as 0.4W instead of 0.4 Ohms. The discussion also highlights the importance of distinguishing between transmitted voltage and voltage drop across the cables.

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This discussion may be useful for students and educators in physics, particularly those interested in electrical engineering concepts related to power transmission and loss calculations.

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Power station generates 120kW

Electricity can be transmitted either at 240V or at 24000V using a step-up transformer.

The cables have total resistance of 0.4W

What is the power loss when voltage is transmitted at:

1) 240V
2) 24000V



I AM SURE YOU CAN WORK THIS OUT USING I squared R (or as I have typed it: I^2R)

Using 240V:
P = IV, therefore I = 500A
P = I^2R = 100000W

Using 24000V:
P = IV, 120000W = I24000V, therefore I = 5A
P = I^2R = 10A

Less power loss when using higher voltage




My question begins with the premises called Ohm’s law and Joules’ law which lead to the textbook equations I^2R = V^2/R = P

Power loss using I^2R works out different to power loss using V^2/R, given all textbooks equate I^2R with V^2/R

THIS FAILS TO WORK WITH ABOVE QUESTION!

Infact P=V^/R indicates greater power loss at higher voltages (for same resistance), negating the idea of stepping up voltages to reduce power loss in electrical transmission. In your solution please using the values I have used above in the question (taken from a textbook)

Please clarify - at a level for 16-18 year old physics students. Thanks.
 
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The thing that is confusing you is the definition of V.

The V in V^2/R is the voltage drop across the wire, not the full voltage being transmitted. The voltage drop across the wire is V=IR, which will be much smaller than the transmitted voltage. Make sense?

BTW, you have a typo in your question where you say the resistance is 0.4W. You meant 0.4 Ohms most likely.

Welcome to the PF.
 
If

P = power generated at power station
V = voltage at which power is transmitted
R = Resisitance of transmission cable

then

Current in the transmission cables = P/V

*Power loss is not equal to V^2/R because this V does not represent potential drop across the cables.

If the cables are connected to your home then Power = V^2 / (Resistance of cables + Resistance of your house)


Hence Power loss at the cables = I^2 R or (P/V)^2 R
 
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P = IV = I^2R = V^2/R
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Power loss through transmission cable is (I^2R)
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Example:-Power station produce 500MW
-Step up transformer is used to step up the voltage to 250KW
-Cable has resistance of 10ohms

P=VI
500x10^6=250x10^3(I)

I=500x10^6/250x10^3

I=2000A

Power loss is = I^2R
Power loss is = 2000^2 x 10
Power loss is = 4x10^7W

Ratio: power loss/ original
Ratio: 400x10^5/500x10^6 = 0.08 = 8% power loss
 
The power dissipation (P diss ) in a transmission cable is basically the measured loss (P meas ) multiplied with the cable's voltage (V c ) and current (I c ) P diss = P meas x V c x I c How to calculate cable loss per 100 m (328 ft)? To calculate cable loss per 100 m (328 ft) we need the cable's ohmic loss (P ohm ) and the cable's cross-sectional area (A c ) P loss per 100 m = P ohm x A c Since the cross-sectional area stays the same, the loss per length will stay the same, independent of the cable's length.
 

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