Calculate Conduction Power Loss

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating conduction power loss in electronic components, specifically focusing on a diode and an IGBT (Insulated Gate Bipolar Transistor). Participants explore different methods for calculating power loss, comparing their approaches and the reasoning behind them.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a calculation for power loss using the formulas power loss = I²R and power loss = V²/R, arriving at a total loss of 124.5 W for the diode and IGBT combined.
  • Another participant suggests that the voltage drop across the diode increases with current, indicating that the effective resistance of the diode also rises, which could affect power loss calculations.
  • A subsequent reply proposes a method to derive the junction potential drop versus current, leading to a recalculated power loss of 170 W, aligning with a different approach mentioned in the initial post.
  • Further clarification is provided that the book's method treats the diode as having both a fixed potential drop and a resistance in series, summing the power associated with each component.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate method for calculating power loss, with some agreeing on the final result of 170 W while others question the reasoning behind the different approaches. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to use.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential for confusion in the book's solution approach and the assumptions made regarding the diode's behavior under varying current conditions. The discussion highlights the dependence on specific definitions and interpretations of the components involved.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


power loss = I2R
power loss = V2/R

The Attempt at a Solution


voltage across diode is 0.7V, current is 100A. resistance = 0.01 ohm.
Power loss is I2R - 100 * 100 * 0.01
= 100 W
Power loss across IGBT = V2/R. V across IGBT = V across Diode = 0.7.
R for IGBT = 0.02 ohm
So loss is 0.7 * 0.7 / 0.02 = 24.5W
Total loss is 100 + 24.5 is 124.5 W

But they've done something like:
No current through IGBT
Conduction loss = VtIav + Irms2Ron
= 0.7 * 100 + 1002 * 0.01 = 170W.

Why did they do V * T + I2R? Shouldnt they do either one? and I'm not sure which one.
 
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Look at the VI curve for the diode. As the current increases the potential drop across the diode junction will increase beyond 0.7 V. So the effective resistance of the diode rises and the power loss increases, too.

See if you can't write an expression for the junction potential drop versus current.
 
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Oh yeah... (v2-v1)/(i1-i1) = .01

So (v2 - 0.7 / (100 - 0) = .01
This gives V2 as 1.7 V.
So power loss is V * I = 1.7 * 100 is 170 W.
Well we get same answer. I guess the way the book has gone about solution is confusing.
 
Good.

They chose to treat the diode as two components in series. The first being the fixed potential drop 0.7V and the second a resistance. They summed the power associated with each.
 
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