How to calculate the flow rate?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on calculating the mass flow rate of air through a valve installed between the throttle body and intake manifold of an engine, particularly under conditions of varying valve area. Participants explore mathematical modeling and measurement techniques related to flow rate analysis.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests analyzing the mass flow rate of air as the valve area decreases to understand engine working conditions.
  • Another participant proposes using an anemometer to measure air velocity, indicating that flow rate in the restricted area is proportional to the ratio of the two air stream cross sections.
  • A participant reiterates the suggestion of using an anemometer for measuring velocity and emphasizes the need for a mathematical model of the scenario.
  • One participant details the characteristics of an iris-type valve, describing how its area changes affect air flow and poses a question about deriving a mathematical model for this scenario.
  • Another participant provides a link to a calculator for air flow rate through a valve as a potential resource.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various approaches to measuring and modeling flow rate, but there is no consensus on a specific mathematical model or method. Multiple viewpoints and techniques are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully defined assumptions regarding the flow characteristics or the specific conditions under which the valve operates, leaving some aspects of the discussion open to interpretation.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in automotive engineering, fluid dynamics, or those seeking to understand air flow measurement and modeling in engine systems may find this discussion relevant.

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A valve is installed between the throttle body and intake manifold and decrease its area to restrict the flow. How do I analyze the mass flow rate of air in the decreasing area to know the engine working condition at a minimum valve area?
 
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Place an anemometer in the air stream to measure its velocity. The flow rate in the restricted area will be proportional to the ratio of the two air stream cross sections.
 
AZFIREBALL said:
Place an anemometer in the air stream to measure its velocity. The flow rate in the restricted area will be proportional to the ratio of the two air stream cross sections.
I need to model the scenario mathematically...do you have the idea how do i model it?
 
I need to mathematically model a valve installed between the throttle body and the intake manifold. the valve is an iris type whose area decrease or increase as needed. when the valve is open the air can flow freely from the throttle body to the intake manifold. but when the area get decreasing the flow will be restricted and when the area becomes zero the engine will stop. so how do i mathematically model and drive equation for this type of scenario?
 

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