How to calculate the minimum pipe wall thickness in this scenario

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The discussion revolves around calculating the minimum pipe wall thickness for a system conducting ethanol (both vapor and liquid) at varying pressures, specifically from 1 atm to 10^(-2) atm. The materials under consideration are copper and aluminum, and the context includes practical application in a semi-industrial setting.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the minimum pipe wall thickness needed for a pipe system handling ethanol at specified pressures, considering copper and aluminum as materials.
  • Another participant references hoop stress and suggests that with a maximum differential pressure of about 1 bar, various materials could be used as long as they are compatible with ethanol.
  • A different participant emphasizes the importance of adhering to applicable piping codes, specifically mentioning ASME B31.3 for the US, which directs to the BPV code for pressure vessel standards.
  • One participant asks for guidance on where to obtain the ASME code, indicating a need for resources related to compliance.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the country of application and whether the project is industrial, highlighting the need for local code knowledge.
  • A participant shares their background, noting they studied in the US but are currently working on a prototype project in India, raising questions about local regulations.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about Indian codes but suggests consulting with local engineers and discusses considerations for pipe diameter and pressure conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of familiarity with piping codes and regulations, particularly between the US and India. There is no consensus on the specific minimum wall thickness or the exact codes applicable to the project, indicating multiple competing views and unresolved questions.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need to consider local piping codes and regulations, which may vary significantly by country. There is also uncertainty regarding the specific conditions of the project, such as the diameter of the pipe and whether the pressure is strictly positive or includes vacuum conditions.

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Hey guys,

Hope you can help me with the following practical problem I am facing right now. I plan to build a pipe system in which ethanol (vapor/liquid) is being conducted at pressures from 1 atm to 10^(-2) atm. What would the minimum pipe wall thickness be if the pipe material was

a) copper
b) Aluminum

Hope for your help!
 
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For pipe in vacuum, and assuming this is an industrial application, you'll need to follow the applicable piping code in your country. For the US, that code would be ASME B31.3, paragraph 304.1.3 which essentially directs you to the BPV code, Section VIII, Div 1, para. UG-28 through UG-30.
 
Thank you guys, will try my best! Where can you obtain the respective ASME code from?
 
What country are you in and is this for an industrial application?
 
I studied in the US but am working on a short project in India right now. The project is semi-industrial, its a prototype with the possibility to be manufactured in larger scales later.
 
I'm not familiar with the codes in India but I would assume they exist. I'd suggest checking with other engineers in your company to see what codes govern your systems. Am I correct in assuming your low pressure is vacuum? If so, what diameter pipe are you looking to use? If this is small diameter (ie: less than 3") then any standard sized pipe will work. If this is strictly positive pressure, there's even less of a problem. Regardless, you should find out what codes govern your installations and use them.
 

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