How to Calculate the Potential Difference on a Charged Conical Surface?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the potential difference between points P (the vertex) and Q (the center of the top) on a charged conical surface with a uniform surface charge density σ. The relevant equation for the potential at point P is V(P) = (1/4πε₀)∫(σ/√(z² + 2r² - 2zr))da. The correct surface area element in spherical coordinates is established as da = (1/√2)r dr dφ, correcting the initial misunderstanding that da = (1/√2)r² dr dφ. This clarification is crucial for accurately determining the potential difference.

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Homework Statement



A conical surface (an empty ice-cream cone) carries a uniform surface charge σ. The height of the cone is a, as is the radius of the top. Find the potential difference between the points P (the vertex) and Q (the center of the top).

Homework Equations



V(P) = \frac{1}{4\piε_{0}}∫\frac{σ}{\sqrt{z^{2}+2r^{2}-2zr}}da
da = r^{2}sinθdθdrd\varphi

The Attempt at a Solution



I am having difficulties in determining da for spherical coordinates.

Because the conical surface is a right circular cone, θ = \frac{\pi}{4}. Therefore, sinθ = sin \frac{\pi}{4} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}. Also, dθ = 1.

Apparently then, da = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}r^{2}drd\varphi.

However, according to my instructor, this is incorrect and the correct answer should be da = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}rdrd\varphi.

What have I done wrong? Thank you.
 
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Note that in the relevant equation for V(P), the square root term represents the separation vector from the source point (the conical surface of uniform charge σ) and the point where the potential is to be measured. The letter z is to be taken as a constant; V(Q) = V(z = a) and V(P) = V(z = 0). We are then tasked with first finding V(z) and then finding V(Q) - V(P).
 
NoPhysicsGenius said:

Homework Statement



A conical surface (an empty ice-cream cone) carries a uniform surface charge σ. The height of the cone is a, as is the radius of the top. Find the potential difference between the points P (the vertex) and Q (the center of the top).

Homework Equations



V(P) = \frac{1}{4\piε_{0}}∫\frac{σ}{\sqrt{z^{2}+2r^{2}-2zr}}da
da = r^{2}sinθdθdrd\varphi
Consider the units. That isn't an area element; it's a volume element.

The Attempt at a Solution



I am having difficulties in determining da for spherical coordinates.

Because the conical surface is a right circular cone, θ = \frac{\pi}{4}. Therefore, sinθ = sin \frac{\pi}{4} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}. Also, dθ = 1.

Apparently then, da = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}r^{2}drd\varphi.

However, according to my instructor, this is incorrect and the correct answer should be da = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}rdrd\varphi.

What have I done wrong? Thank you.
 
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Surface element da

Thanks! I get it now ...

The surface element (da) is da = dl_{r}dl_{\varphi} = (dr)(r sinθ d\varphi) = r sin \frac{\pi}{4} dr d\varphi = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} r dr d\varphi.
 

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