How to calculate the Riemann curvature at r=2GM?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the Riemann curvature tensor at the coordinate singularity r=2GM in the context of the Schwarzschild solution. Participants explore various aspects of the Riemann and Ricci tensors, referencing specific equations from the "Gravitation" textbook by Misner, Thorne, and Wheeler (MTW), and express concerns about the calculations leading to zero values for certain components.

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  • Some participants note that the coordinate singularity at r=2GM does not imply a physical singularity, as the Riemann curvature tensor remains smooth.
  • There is confusion regarding whether to compute the Riemann tensor or the Ricci tensor, with some participants asserting that the Ricci tensor components should be zero in this case.
  • One participant questions how the values for the Riemann curvature components are derived from the equations in the MTW textbook, particularly regarding the substitution of specific functions into the equations.
  • Another participant mentions that they obtained different values for the Riemann curvature components than expected, suggesting potential errors in their calculations or misunderstandings of the index manipulations required.
  • Some participants express a lack of understanding of the physical implications of the Riemann-Christoffel tensor and seek further clarification and references.
  • There are references to external resources, including Google Scholar and specific links to academic papers, to aid in the understanding of the topic.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the calculations of the Riemann curvature components, with multiple competing views and uncertainties regarding the correct approach and results. Some assert that the Ricci tensor components should be zero, while others challenge this assertion based on their calculations.

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Participants highlight potential issues with the choice of coordinates and the need for careful index manipulation when calculating the Riemann and Ricci tensors. There are unresolved mathematical steps and differing interpretations of the results presented in the referenced textbook.

  • #61
Actually, your proposed metric (with the change of signature) will be a solution to the EFE's in vacuum. In the typical derivation of the Schwarzschild metric you end up with a differential equation of the form
$$
\partial_r ( r f(r)) = 1,
$$
where ##f(r)## is the coefficient of ##- dt^2## in the line element. The solution to this is obviously
$$
r f(r) = r + C,
$$
where ##C## is an integration constant. This tells you nothing about the sign of ##C## and generally you have
$$
f(r) = 1 + \frac{C}{r}.
$$
Asking for the correct behaviour in the weak field limit then identifies ##C = - 2MG##, but there is nothing preventing you from putting ##C## positive apart from the fact that we have not observed anything that actually behaves like that (essentially the weak field limit becomes a limit where a point "mass" repels rather than attracts). Celestial objects would move on approximate hyperbolae rather than approximate ellipses, etc. The case ##C > 0## is therefore just not physically interesting.
 
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The case C>o is therefore just not physically interesting. It is not the matter of interest, its the matter of reality. Then such teste-parameters would get varied?
 
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Bishal Banjara said:
Then such teste-parameters would get varied?

This question has already been answered:

PeterDonis said:
The values of observable quantities related to the spacetime geometry (which I think is what you mean by "Tests") will obviously be different for different spacetime geometries.
There is no point in continuing to repeat the same answer. Thread closed.
 
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