How to calculate this type of integral

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of a specific integral involving a rational function and a square root. Participants seek clarification on the correct form of the integral and explore potential methods for solving it, including substitution techniques.

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  • One participant requests assistance in calculating the integral $$\int\frac{{y}^{3}}{(196 - {y}^{2})\times \sqrt{196 - {y}^{2} - {a + y}^{2}}}$$.
  • Another participant points out a discrepancy between the integral provided and an accompanying picture, asking for clarification on which integral is intended for evaluation.
  • A participant proposes a substitution method to simplify the integral, suggesting that letting $$u = 196 - y^2$$ could be beneficial.
  • Subsequent replies indicate that the substitution in the square root may not be correct, with participants expressing uncertainty about the accuracy of the proposed method.
  • Participants acknowledge the challenges of solving the integral, with one humorously admitting to being tired while attempting to assist.

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There is no consensus on the correct approach to solving the integral, as participants express differing views on the validity of the proposed substitution and the integral's form. Multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

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Participants have not fully established the assumptions underlying the integral or the implications of the proposed substitutions, leaving some mathematical steps and definitions unresolved.

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Could anyone can tell me how to calculate this type of intergretion. Thanks very much
$$\int\frac{{y}^{3}}{(196 - {y}^{2})\times \sqrt{196 - {y}^{2} - {a + y}^{2}}}$$
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Re: How to calculate this type of intergretion

Your integral does not match the integral in the picture. Which one are you trying to evaluate?
 
zhaojx84 said:
Could anyone can tell me how to calculate this type of intergretion. Thanks very much
$$\int\frac{{y}^{3}}{(196 - {y}^{2})\times \sqrt{196 - {y}^{2} - {a + y}^{2}}}$$

I'll assume that the picture is the actual integral you are trying to solve...

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \int{ \frac{y^3}{\left( 196 - y^2 \right) \,\sqrt{-\left( a + y \right) ^2 - y^2 + 196}} \,\mathrm{d}y } &= -\frac{1}{2} \int{ \frac{y^2}{\left( 196 - y^2 \right) \,\sqrt{ -\left( a + y \right) ^2 - y^2 + 196 }} \,\left( -2\,y \right) \,\mathrm{d}y } \end{align*}$

Let $\displaystyle \begin{align*} u = 196 - y^2 \implies \mathrm{d}u = -2\,y\,\mathrm{d}y \end{align*}$ and the integral becomes

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} -\frac{1}{2} \int{\frac{y^2}{\left( 196 - y^2 \right) \,\sqrt{-\left( a + y \right) ^2 - y^2 + 196}}\,\left( -2\,y \right) \,\mathrm{d}y} &= -\frac{1}{2} \int{ \frac{196 - u}{u\,\sqrt{ \left( a + u - 196 \right) ^2 - u }} \,\mathrm{d}u } \end{align*}$

Does this seem a bit more manageable?
 
Re: How to calculate this type of intergretion

Euge said:
Your integral does not match the integral in the picture. Which one are you trying to evaluate?
The integration in the figure is what I want to calculate.
Thanks very much for your help.
 
Prove It said:
I'll assume that the picture is the actual integral you are trying to solve...

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \int{ \frac{y^3}{\left( 196 - y^2 \right) \,\sqrt{-\left( a + y \right) ^2 - y^2 + 196}} \,\mathrm{d}y } &= -\frac{1}{2} \int{ \frac{y^2}{\left( 196 - y^2 \right) \,\sqrt{ -\left( a + y \right) ^2 - y^2 + 196 }} \,\left( -2\,y \right) \,\mathrm{d}y } \end{align*}$

Let $\displaystyle \begin{align*} u = 196 - y^2 \implies \mathrm{d}u = -2\,y\,\mathrm{d}y \end{align*}$ and the integral becomes

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} -\frac{1}{2} \int{\frac{y^2}{\left( 196 - y^2 \right) \,\sqrt{-\left( a + y \right) ^2 - y^2 + 196}}\,\left( -2\,y \right) \,\mathrm{d}y} &= -\frac{1}{2} \int{ \frac{196 - u}{u\,\sqrt{ \left( a + u - 196 \right) ^2 - u }} \,\mathrm{d}u } \end{align*}$

Does this seem a bit more manageable?
Thanks for your help.
However, the substitution in the sqrt root is not correct.
 
zhaojx84 said:
Thanks for your help.
However, the substitution in the sqrt root is not correct.

Yes I shouldn't try to help while tired haha. I'm sure you can fix it though :)
 
Prove It said:
Yes I shouldn't try to help while tired haha. I'm sure you can fix it though :)
Could you help me later? I cannot figure it out. Thanks very much!
 

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