How to Calculate Work Done on a Spring?

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The discussion revolves around calculating work done on a spring according to Hooke's law, specifically in the context of a mass hanging from the spring and the resulting stretch of the spring. The original poster presents a scenario involving two different masses and seeks assistance in determining the stretch of the spring and the work done by an external agent.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply Newton's second law and Hooke's law to find the spring constant and the stretch caused by different masses. Some participants question the use of incorrect mass values and suggest using ratios for calculations. There is also discussion about the signs used in work calculations and the interpretation of energy changes.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's calculations, pointing out potential errors and misconceptions. There is a focus on clarifying the application of physical laws and ensuring correct arithmetic is used. Multiple interpretations of the work done and the correct approach to the problem are being explored.

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Participants note the importance of distinguishing between the forces acting on the spring and the work done by external agents, as well as the need to adhere to the conventions of energy calculations.

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When a 4.00 kg object is hung vertically on a certain light spring that obeys Hooke's law, the spring stretches 2.5 cm.
(a) If the object is replaced with one of mass 1.45 kg, how far will the spring stretch?

F=ma
-ma=-kx
-(4)(9.8)=-k(0.025)
k=1568

-(1.5)(9.8)= -1568x
x=0.00938m
I keep being told that this is wrong and yet I have not been able to figure out where I went wrong. Can someone point out what the problem is.

b) how much work must an external agent do (i.e. a force coming from the 'environment'), to stretch the same spring 4.9 cm from its unstretched position?
Here I used k=1568 and W=1/2kxi^2- 1/2kxf^2
=1/2(1568)(0)^2-1/2(1568)(0.049)^2
W=1.25J or -1.25 J
Once again I'm being told that this is wrong and would like for someone to point out the problem.

Thanks in advance:smile:
 
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bearhug said:
When a 4.00 kg object is hung vertically on a certain light spring that obeys Hooke's law, the spring stretches 2.5 cm.
(a) If the object is replaced with one of mass 1.45 kg, how far will the spring stretch?

F=ma
-ma=-kx
-(4)(9.8)=-k(0.025)
k=1568

-(1.5)(9.8)= -1568x
x=0.00938m
I keep being told that this is wrong and yet I have not been able to figure out where I went wrong. Can someone point out what the problem is.
I don't see any fundamental problem here (except for your misuse of "F = ma"--see below). But why did you use 1.5 instead of the given 1.45 kg? (You can also solve this using ratios.)

One thing to point out: You are not using Newton's 2nd law here (F = ma), but you are using Hooke's law (F = kx). In this case, the F is the force that is stretching the spring--which is the weight of the hanging mass: w = mg.

b) how much work must an external agent do (i.e. a force coming from the 'environment'), to stretch the same spring 4.9 cm from its unstretched position?
Here I used k=1568 and W=1/2kxi^2- 1/2kxf^2
=1/2(1568)(0)^2-1/2(1568)(0.049)^2
W=1.25J or -1.25 J
Once again I'm being told that this is wrong and would like for someone to point out the problem.
I only see two problems: (1) Your signs are off. Note that change in spring energy (or anything) is always final - initial. The work done is positive. (2) Check your arithmetic.
 
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Doc Al said:
I don't see any fundamental problem here. But why did you use 1.5 instead of the given 1.45 kg? (You can also solve this using ratios.)

One thing to point out: You are not using Newton's 2nd law here (F = ma), but you are using Hooke's law (F = kx). In this case, the F is the force that is stretching the spring--which is the weight of the hanging mass: w = mg.


I only see two problems: (1) Your signs are off. Note that change in spring energy (or anything) is always final - initial. The work done is positive. (2) Check your arithmetic.

technicaly hooke's law is F= -kx and the work done by a spring is infact i-f.
 
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BishopUser said:
technicaly hooke's law is F= -kx and the work done by a spring is infact i-f.
True, but here we are finding the work done by an external agent in stretching the spring--which equals the change in the spring's energy--which is "final energy - initial energy". (The minus sign in Hooke's law tells you the direction of the spring's restoring force, which is opposite to the force applied by the external agent.)
 

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