How to check Fourier series solution (complex)

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the complex Fourier series for the function f(t) = t(1-t) over the interval (0, 1). Participants are exploring the correct formulation of the Fourier coefficients and methods for verifying their results.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of Fourier coefficients, with some questioning the correctness of the equations used. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between the coefficients and the choice of integration limits. Others share their methods for finding the coefficients and express concerns about the validity of their approaches.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's methods. Some have offered corrections regarding the equations for the Fourier coefficients, while others are reassessing their calculations based on this feedback. There is an acknowledgment of the need for further practice with the software used for plotting the series.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating potential misunderstandings related to the equations for Fourier coefficients, particularly in relation to the function's period and the integration limits. There is also mention of software limitations affecting the ability to visualize results.

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Homework Statement


Find the complex Fourier series for:

f(t)=t(1-t), 0<t<1


Homework Equations



f(t)=\sum_{n=-\infty}^{\infty}c_n{e^{i\omega_n{t}}}

c_n=\frac{1}{\tau}\int_{t_0}^{t_0+\tau}e^{-i\omega_n{t}}f(t)dt

\omega_n=2\pi{n}\quad\tau=1

The Attempt at a Solution



I solved for c_n. I want to check my answer. I can only think of checking it by graphing it out to a few (50 or so) terms. I tried to graph this in Maple with my value for c_n and it couldn't do it. After that, I tried to solve the entire problem in Maple and that also did not work.

I have a few more of these to do, and I'd like to make sure I am doing this correctly before I move on. Does anyone know how to check my value for the coefficient?
 
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Do your coefficients depend on your choice of t_0? Because the relevant equations you posted are not correct.
 
I found the coefficients, c_n, by integrating:

c_n=\int_{0}^{1}t(1-t)e^{-i2\pi{n}t}dt

Are you saying that this is not the correct method to find c_n?
 
No, it isn't.

The Fourier coefficients are given by

c_n=\int_{-\frac{1}{2}}^{\frac{1}{2}}f(2\pi t)e^{-i\omega_n t}dt=\frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\pi}^{\pi}f(t)e^{-int}dt

which is not equivalent to what you've posted. Where did you find that incorrect equation for the coefficients?
 
Thanks for pointing that out. I'll recalculate my coefficient value later today.

My tutorial lists the equation for c_n as:

c_n=\frac{1}{\lambda}\int_{x_0}^{x_0+\lambda}e^{-i{k_n}x}f(x)dx

In a paragraph above this equation, it states that:

"...But most applications involve either functions of position or of time. In the former case, the period of the function, \lambda, is more conventionally called the wavelength, and k_n=\frac{2\pi{n}}{\lambda} is the wave number for the n'th mode. If time is the variable, however, the period is called, indeed, the period, and is usually represented by \tau. The n'th mode has the angular frequency, or often simply the frequency, \omega_n=\frac{2\pi{n}}{\tau}."

It did not explicitly give the equation for c_n in this case. I must have made a mistake converting from a spatial to time variable.
 
gabbagabbahey said:
No, it isn't.

The Fourier coefficients are given by

c_n=\int_{-\frac{1}{2}}^{\frac{1}{2}}f(2\pi t)e^{-i\omega_n t}dt=\frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\pi}^{\pi}f(t)e^{-int}dt

which is not equivalent to what you've posted. Where did you find that incorrect equation for the coefficients?
Those expressions are for a function with period 2π. If you rescale for a function with period τ and allow for a shift (since it really doesn't matter which particular cycle you integrate over), you get PhysicsMark's integral.
 
vela said:
Those expressions are for a function with period 2π. If you rescale for a function with period τ and allow for a shift (since it really doesn't matter which particular cycle you integrate over), you get PhysicsMark's integral.

Thanks for the clarification, Vela. I spoke with my professor today, and he also said the original integral should be correct.

He went on to say that I should be able to plot it in Maple. So, I guess that means I need some more practice in Maple (That should be no surprise to Vela...https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=391887).

Thanks to Vela and Gabbagabbahey for replying.
 
In case you want to check your answer, here's what I found for cn for n\ne 0:

c_n=-\frac{1}{2n^2\pi^2}

When you plot the series, you should only need to use a handful of terms -- 50 would be overkill -- to see if it's summing to what you expect. Just remember to match the negative n's with positive n's so that the sum is real.
 
Thanks a lot! That is also the answer I got.

I realized why maple wouldn't plot it, it was because I did not account for the "n" in the denominator. No wonder Maple was blabbering about a singularity.
 

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