How to Compute Dot Products in Integrals?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the computation of dot products in the context of integrals, specifically related to equations presented in a document on electrodynamics. Participants are trying to understand the transition from one equation to another and the implications of vector relationships.

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  • Technical explanation
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to compute dot products between vectors n, β, and \dot{β}, particularly in relation to the angles θ and θ(0).
  • The same participant attempts to establish relationships between the dot products, suggesting that n·β = βcos(θ) and β·\dot{β} = β\dot{β}cos(θ(0)).
  • Another participant questions the validity of the dot product relationship n·\dot{β} = \dot{β}cos(θ-θ(0)), noting that this may only hold if the vectors are coplanar.
  • A later reply indicates uncertainty about the coplanarity of the vectors and expresses a desire for clarification on the transition from equations 48 to 49.
  • Another participant suggests the possibility of a typo in the equations, indicating that a β might need to be a β-dot instead, but does not provide a definitive explanation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the computation of the dot products or the validity of the relationships proposed. There is uncertainty regarding the coplanarity of the vectors and the potential for typographical errors in the equations.

Contextual Notes

Participants express limitations in their understanding of the vector relationships and the implications of the angles involved. The discussion highlights the need for clarity on the assumptions regarding vector arrangements.

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Hi everyone,

I'm trying to understand the integral on http://www.phys.lsu.edu/~jarrell/COURSES/ELECTRODYNAMICS/Chap14/chap14.pdf (page 14)

I get all the steps except the how to get from eq. 48 to eq 49. I'm not really sure how to compute all the dot products. He let's the angle between n and β be θ
and angle between β and \dot{β} be θ(0)

Attempt at solution:

n\cdotβ=βcos(θ)
β\cdot\dot{β}=β\dot{β}cos(θ(0))
n\cdot\dot{β}=\dot{β}cos(θ-θ(0))?

If this is correct, do I proceed by applying the difference identity of cosine in the last dot product and then square the whole thing? There are going to be a lot of terms, so before wasting more time on expanding, let's first see if what I'm doing is in fact the right way to do this integral.

Many thanks!
 
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n\cdotβ=βcos(θ)
β\cdot\dot{β}=β\dot{β}cos(θ(0))
n\cdot\dot{β}=\dot{β}cos(θ-θ(0))?
You could only do something like that if you know the three vectors are coplanar. Are they?
 
Yes that is what's been troubling me. I am not sure. But how else do you go from eq 48 to eq 49?
 
Sorry, I can't follow it either. I strongly suspect a typo, like a β that should be a β-dot or vv., but I haven't been able to find a simple explanation.
 
Oh well, thanks very much anyway for replying:)
 

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