Integration Involving Dot Product?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving integrals involving the dot product of vectors, specifically how to approach the integration of expressions like \(\int \vec{A}\cdot\vec{B}\). Participants explore the conditions under which the vectors are defined and the implications for integration.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to solve the integral \(\int \vec{A}\cdot\vec{B}\) and mentions a formula involving magnitudes and the cosine of the angle between the vectors.
  • Another participant questions whether the vectors \(\vec{A}\) and \(\vec{B}\) are constant or functions, suggesting that their parameterization is necessary for proper evaluation.
  • A different participant points out the omission of the differential in the integral, indicating that integration with respect to \(\theta\) would be necessary to use the cosine function as described.
  • One participant explains that the dot product results in a scalar, and thus the integral can be treated like a standard numerical integral, providing an example with specific vector functions.
  • Another participant notes that the integration of the cross product is more complex since it results in a vector, and outlines two possible forms of integration for the cross product.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the proper approach to integrating the dot product, with some emphasizing the need for clarity on the vectors' definitions and parameterization. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to handle the integration of the dot product and the cross product.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the parameterization of the vectors and the implications for the integration process. The discussion highlights the importance of specifying the variable of integration and the conditions under which the dot and cross products are evaluated.

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Hello;

How do I solve an integral involving the dot product?

For example, imagine I have two vectors A and B, and I want to calculate;

\int \vec{A}\cdot\vec{B}

How do I do this?

I am asking because, I read somewhere that I have to evaluate the dot product first:

\int |A||B|\cos\theta

But I have no idea where to go from here. I know integrating \cos\theta gives me \sin\theta, but don't know what to do about the two magnitudes of vectors A and B.

Thanks
 
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Hello,

Your question seems ill-posed. Are \vec A, \vec B constant vectors? I assume that they must be functions. If so, how are they parameterized?

As for the second part of your question, if you're are lucky and the vectors are parameterized in such a way that they have constant magnitude, then |A| and |B| are just constants. However, in this case it is likely the relative angle will be a complicated expression.
 
FeDeX_LaTeX said:
Hello;

How do I solve an integral involving the dot product?

For example, imagine I have two vectors A and B, and I want to calculate;

\int \vec{A}\cdot\vec{B}

How do I do this?

I am asking because, I read somewhere that I have to evaluate the dot product first:

\int |A||B|\cos\theta

But I have no idea where to go from here. I know integrating \cos\theta gives me \sin\theta, but don't know what to do about the two magnitudes of vectors A and B.
You have omitted the differential in your integral, so it's impossible to say what the antiderivative is. You would integrate cos(theta) as you showed only if integration was being done with respect to theta. That is, if the differential was d\theta.
 
The dot product is a number so the integral of \vec{A}\cdot\vec{B} is just the integral of that numerical function, no different from what you learned in Calculus I. To integrate the dot product of the vector functions \vec{A}= 2x\vec{i}+ 3\vec{j}+ e^x\vec{k} and \vec{B}= x^2\vec{i}+ x^2\vec{j}+ 2\vec{k} you take their dot product, (2x)(x^2)+ 3(x^2)+ e^x(2)= 2x^3+ 3x^2+ 2e^x and integrate that:
\int \vec{A}\cdot\vec{B}dx= \int 2x^3+ 3x^2+ 2e^x dx

As others have pointed out, your failure to write "dx" or "dy" or whatever the variable of integration is makes it impossible to specify more. You should NOT use "\vec{A}\cdot\vec{B}= |\vec{A}||\vec{B}|cos(\theta)" unless you know how the angle between the vectors, \theta, and the lengths of the vectors |\vec{A}| and \vec{B} vary with what ever the variable of integration.

Perhaps if you were to give a specific integral, we could say more.
 
Thanks, I understand. Sorry for omitting the differential.

Do I do the same thing for the cross product?
 
That's a bit more complicated since the cross product of two vectors is a vector, not a number. In that case you could have either:
\int \vec{A}\times\vec{B}\cdot d\vec{S}
which would be a "standard" numerical integral or you could have
\int \vec{A}\times\vec{B} dx[/itex] <br /> which would indicate a &quot;component by component&quot; integration and would yield a vector.
 

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