How to derive pv^gamma=constant

[milan talaviya]

Homework Statement

The relationship between pressure and volume of an ideal gas is expressed as pv=constant in a reversable isothermal condition. Show that the relationship between pressure and volume of the same gas is expressed as pV^gamma=constant in a reversible adiabatic condition where gamma=Cp,m/Cv,m.

Homework Equations

gamma=Cp,m/Cv,m.
pV^gamma=constant, rev. adiabatic
pv=constant, rev. ideal

The Attempt at a Solution

p1v1^(Cpm/Cvm)=p2v2^(Cpm/Cvm) take ln and mult both sides by the Cvm/Cpm
ln p1v1 = ln p2v2 e to both sides
p1v1=p2v2
p1v1/p2v2 = 1

 

[milan talaviya]

please answer it if you have better than these.
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[ehild]

Hello Milan, welcome to PF.

You have to show that pV^γ= constant assuming a reversible adiabatic process on an ideal gas.

What is an adiabatic process? How does the internal energy change in an adiabatic process? What are Cp and Cv?

ehild

 

[vela]

The Attempt at a Solution

p1v1^(Cpm/Cvm)=p2v2^(Cpm/Cvm) take ln and mult both sides by the Cvm/Cpm
ln p1v1 = ln p2v2 e to both sides
p1v1=p2v2
p1v1/p2v2 = 1

You haven't proved anything here. For one, you've made an algebra mistake. The more serious error is that you started with what you're supposed to be proving. That sort of argument isn't valid logically.

 

[Andrew Mason]

Homework Statement

The relationship between pressure and volume of an ideal gas is expressed as pv=constant in a reversable isothermal condition. Show that the relationship between pressure and volume of the same gas is expressed as pV^gamma=constant in a reversible adiabatic condition where gamma=Cp,m/Cv,m.

Homework Equations

gamma=Cp,m/Cv,m.
pV^gamma=constant, rev. adiabatic
pv=constant, rev. ideal

The Attempt at a Solution

p1v1^(Cpm/Cvm)=p2v2^(Cpm/Cvm) take ln and mult both sides by the Cvm/Cpm
ln p1v1 = ln p2v2 e to both sides
p1v1=p2v2
p1v1/p2v2 = 1

The adiabatic condition that you have to prove is not:

(PV)^{\frac{C_p}{C_v}} = \text{constant}

Rather, it is :

PV^{\frac{C_p}{C_v}} = \text{constant}

which means:

\frac{P_1}{P_2} = (\frac{V_2}{V_1})^{\frac{C_p}{C_v}}

1. Start with the first law and find an expression for dU in terms of PdV (hint: what is dQ if it is adiabatic?).

2. Then express dU in terms of dT and substitute your answer in 1. for dU.

3. Finally express dT in terms of d(PV). (hint: use R = Cp-Cv).

AM