How to derive the curl of E equation in the frame of the conductor?

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The discussion focuses on deriving the curl of the electric field (E') in the frame of a conductor, specifically addressing the equation that relates the curl of E' to the dot product of the conductor's velocity (v) and the gradient of the magnetic field (B). The derivation utilizes the chain rule from vector calculus, leading to the expression ∂B'/∂t = (v°∇)B. Participants express concerns regarding the notation and interpretation of the dot product versus composition in the context of the equation, emphasizing the need for clarity in mathematical representation.

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According to wikipedia, "The moving magnet and conductor problem", I stopped at the equation shown in the attachment.
It said that the curl of the E` ( electric field in the frame of the conductor) is equal to minus of the dot product of the velocity of the conductor and the del multiplied by the magnetic field.

How to derive this formula?
 

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UltrafastPED said:
The first part is follows from the chain rule: substituting B(x'+vt) for B':

∂B'/∂t = ∂B(x'+vt)/∂t = ∇B(x') ° ∂vt/∂t = ∇B(x') ° v.

But this can also be expressed as (v°∇)B.

But i have 3 concerns:
1) The above equation should equal to ∇B(x') ∂vt/∂t not to the composite ∇B(x') ° ∂vt/∂t
2) How (v°∇)B is driven from ∇B(x') ° v?
3) In wikipedia, it is a dot product (v.∇) B not a composite function (v°∇)B
 
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∂B`(x`)/∂t = ∂B(x`+vt)/∂t

∂B/∂t= (∂B/∂x).(∂x/∂t) given that x=x`+vt

but ∂x/∂t= v

so ∂B/∂t= (∂B/∂x). v
 
Yeah, a dot not a composition. Couldn't find the dot in the menu. Gotta learn LaTex someday I keep saying to myself!
 
UltrafastPED said:
Yeah, a dot not a composition. Couldn't find the dot in the menu. Gotta learn LaTex someday I keep saying to myself!

Fine, so again how (v.∇) B is reached? it should be v (∇.B). In other words, the only operator that is acting on B should be ∇ not (v.∇).
 

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