How to determine the decay mode probability of a pion

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of decay mode probabilities for pions, focusing on the relationship between the pion's energy and its decay modes. Participants explore theoretical frameworks and conservation laws relevant to particle decay, as well as the concept of branching ratios.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about how to calculate the decay probability and mode of a pion given its initial energy, expressing difficulty in finding relevant formulas.
  • Another participant states that decay modes cannot be determined by a simple rule and must adhere to conservation laws, suggesting that the total mass of the final state must be lighter than the pion.
  • A participant mentions that branching ratios represent the probabilities of different decay modes.
  • Some participants assert that the energy of the pion does not affect its decay mode, indicating that calculations can be performed in the pion's rest frame.
  • There is a contention regarding the independence of decay modes from the pion's energy, with some participants arguing that decay modes can be calculated using quantum field theory, while others express uncertainty about this relationship.
  • One participant acknowledges their lack of familiarity with quantum field theory but agrees that decay modes are independent of energy.
  • A later reply emphasizes that even in its rest frame, the pion retains mass, suggesting a potential nuance in the discussion about energy and decay modes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between the pion's energy and its decay modes. While some assert that decay modes are independent of energy, others challenge this notion, leading to an unresolved debate on the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference conservation laws and quantum field theory without fully resolving the implications of these concepts on the calculation of decay modes. The discussion includes assumptions about the applicability of theoretical frameworks to practical calculations.

rwooduk
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Hi,

Given the initial energy of a pion is it possible to calculate the probability and mode of its decay?

Ive looked everywhere for a relevant formula but everywhere simply states the probability and mode...

Wiki "The primary decay mode of a pion, with probability 0.999877, is a purely leptonic decay into an anti-muon and a muon neutrino"... "The second most common decay mode of a pion, with probability 0.000123, is also a leptonic decay into an electron and the corresponding electron antineutrino."

I considered doing some sort of conservation of energy / momentum, but how am i supposed to do that if i don't know what it decays into?

ive spent at least two hours trying to find an equation, i found something called the "branching ratio" is that at all related?

any direction on this would be appreciated.
 
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There is no rule to determine the decay modes. In principle, a particle can decay in every final state allowed by conservation laws. First of all the total mass of the final state must be lighter than the decay particle. Then the right quantum numbers must be conserved (total angular momentum, lepton number and so forth).

Once you chose what particular final state you want to study you can compute the decay width for that particular final state using the Quantum Field Theory methods. A good reference on how to actually do this kind of calculation can be:

De Wit - Field Theory in Particule Physics (Chapter 3)

Is a very practical book that shows you how to compute cross sections and decay widths.

I hope this is useful
 
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That's very very useful! Thank you!
 
The decay is truly random. There is no way to tell ahead of time which of the possible outcomes will actually happen. All you can tell are the probabilities of each possible outcome.
 
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The energy of the pion does not matter - in particular, you can always consider it in its rest frame.

Branching ratios are exactly the probabilities of the decay modes you are looking for.
 
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mfb said:
The energy of the pion does not matter - in particular, you can always consider it in its rest frame.

Branching ratios are exactly the probabilities of the decay modes you are looking for.

if the energy of the pion is completely independent of its decay mode then that again that answers my question because the only information given in the question is the pions total energy. So finding the main decay mode calculatively would not be possible.

Thanks all!
 
rwooduk said:
if the energy of the pion is completely independent of its decay mode then that again that answers my question because the only information given in the question is the pions total energy. So finding the main decay mode calculatively would not be possible.
You are contradicting yourself here.

Calculating the main decay modes is possible with theoretical physics (quantum field theory). And those decay modes are completely independent of the energy of the pion in our lab frame (the pion just does not care about our lab).
 
mfb said:
You are contradicting yourself here.

Calculating the main decay modes is possible with theoretical physics (quantum field theory). And those decay modes are completely independent of the energy of the pion in our lab frame (the pion just does not care about our lab).

hmm I'm not quite at quantum field theory level yet, but in essence i think we agree that decay mode is independent of energy :-)
 
Even in its rest frame, the pion will have mass...
 

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