How to determine the pressure when you dont have the volume

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The discussion centers on solving a pressure problem using the ideal gas law, specifically the relationship between pressure and volume. The original poster struggled to find the second volume (V2) but later realized that they could use volume ratios instead. By pushing the plunger halfway and then three-quarters, they determined that the pressure could be calculated as p2 = 2p1 for half the volume and p2 = 4p1 for three-quarters. Additionally, they noted a similar relationship for temperature, where T2 is halved or quartered based on the volume changes. Ultimately, the problem was resolved after a clearer understanding was achieved.
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Homework Statement
150ml of air under a pressure of 1013hPa are sucked into a bicycle pump by pulling out the piston. The opening of the pump is then sealed airtight with a stopper. Now push the plunger in halfway, then further in up to 3/4.
a) How great is the pressure if the temperature remains the same?
b) In the case of an isobaric implementation - how far would the temperature change compared to the initial temperature?
Relevant Equations
p1V1 = p2V2
Hello! I am having trouble with this problem I found online,it was listed under the "easy" category yet I am somehow not seeing the trick.

First I converted the V into m^3 so that V = 0,015 m^3,than I converted the hPa into Pa so p = 101300 Pa and now I used the fact that ##p1V1 = p2V2 ## We can get p2 out of this equation. $$ p2 = \frac{p1V1}{V2} $$ Now the problem is I don't have V2; I am pretty much certain the problem has/can be solved this way but I'm kind of not getting it.

Thank you!
 
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Hi there.

arhzz said:
Now push the plunger in halfway, then further in up to 3/4.

Can we not just use this ratio of the volumes without knowing the exact numbers? That is, we are told that we first push the plunger in half the way, which suggests that we now have a volume ## \frac{1}{2} V_1 ##. Then we push it into 3/4, so we have ## \frac{1}{4} V ## left?

I hope that is of some help.
 
Yea I've actually figured it out just this morning.The question was really simple but I was too tired to think straight and after a good night sleep I solved it without issue. Here is the solution;

a) $$ p2 = \frac{p1V1}{1/2V1} $$ p2 should come out to ## p2 = 2p1 ## and for 3/4 ## p2 = 4pi ##

b) The same trick just with the temperature just that the relationship is diffrent $$ \frac{V1}{T1} = \frac{V2}{T2}$$ for 1/2 T2 should be ## T2 = 1/2 T1 ## and for 3/4 ## T2 = 1/4 T1 ##

Still thank you for your help!
 
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