How to Find dz/dt in a Derivative with 3 Variables?

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The problem involves finding the rate of change of a variable \( z \) in relation to two other variables \( x \) and \( y \) using implicit differentiation. The context is calculus, specifically dealing with derivatives of functions with multiple variables.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of implicit differentiation to find \( dz/dt \). There is a question about whether \( dz/dt \) could equal the sum of \( dx/dt \) and \( dy/dt \), which is challenged by others who note the nonlinear relationship between \( x \) and \( y \). Some participants suggest differentiating with respect to \( t \) and provide a formula involving the derivatives of \( x \) and \( y \).

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different methods of differentiation and questioning the assumptions about the relationship between the variables. There is no explicit consensus yet, but some guidance has been offered regarding the use of implicit differentiation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that there are two unknowns in the equation: \( dz/dt \) and the value of \( z \) at the specific time, which remains to be determined. The original poster's question implies a need for further exploration of how to find \( z \).

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1/z = 1/x + 1/y
If x is increasing at 4 units/s and y is increasing at 6 units/s, how fast is z increasing when x=20 and y=30?

My question is how do I find an equation for dz/dt? Does it equal dx/dt + dy/dt?
 
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You need to apply something like this


d/dt(f(x)) = (dx/dt)*d/dx(f(x)) = (dx/dt)f'(x)

Similar for f(y).
 
Or just differentiate implicitly with respect to t. On the left side you would have
d/dt(1/z) = d/dz(1/z) * dz/dt = -1/z2 * dz/dt.

dz/dt won't be equal to dx/dt + dy/dt. The relationship between x and y is nonlinear, so you won't get dx/dt + dy/dt when you differentiate the right side.
 
Mark44 said:
Or just differentiate implicitly with respect to t. On the left side you would have
d/dt(1/z) = d/dz(1/z) * dz/dt = -1/z2 * dz/dt.

dz/dt won't be equal to dx/dt + dy/dt. The relationship between x and y is nonlinear, so you won't get dx/dt + dy/dt when you differentiate the right side.

To continue on with what Mark44 said: \frac{dz}{dt}\frac{-1}{z^2} = \frac{dx}{dt}\frac{-1}{x^2} + \frac{dy}{dt}\frac{-1}{y^2} You have 2 unknowns, one is dz/dt which is what you are looking for and the other is z itself at that time. How would you find z? Hint: It's in your question!
 

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